Tag:Carson Palmer
Posted on: April 24, 2011 9:27 pm

Bengals early 1st round picks have not gone well

J. Smith has played very well the past two years, but it's been for San Francisco (Getty). Posted by Josh Katzowitz

Nobody makes more top-five selections in the NFL draft than do the Bengals. As the Cincinnati Enquirer points out, next week will the eighth time in the Mike Brown era (since 1991) that Cincinnati has had a first-round pick that high – and it’s the most in the NFL.

And although Brown apparently feels the club’s draft strategy is sound (unbelievably, he said a few months back, “I don’t apologize for our scouting. It’s an easy target. But if you look at the real facts, you’ll see it different.”), those early first-round picks have produced many more losers than winners.

Here is the good:

Carson Palmer – No. 1 in 2003: Palmer, at one point, was a top-10 quarterback (maybe even a top-five for a short time). The past couple seasons have been brutal for him, and he’s said he’d rather retire than play another game for the Bengals. But still, I think this was a good pick.

And here is the bad:

John Copeland – No. 5 in 1993: He wasn’t a bad defensive lineman, and in 1995, he recorded nine sacks. But you expect more from a No. 5 pick than he could give.

Dan Wilkinson – No. 1 in 1994: With Wilkinson and Copeland in the lineup, the Bengals could have expected their defensive line to be a strength for the next several seasons. And if Wilkinson hadn’t gone No. 1, he would have had  what we consider to be a pretty good career in Cincinnati. But he’s also a good reminder that it’s not usually a great idea to pick a defensive player No. 1 overall.

Ki-jana Carter – No. 1 in 1995: Ugh, his name is not remembered fondly in Cincinnati after tearing his ACL in the third snap of his first preseason game.

Akili Smith – No. 3 in 1999: You know what really made this pick suck for the Bengals? The Saints, in a crazy effort to select Ricky Williams, offered Cincinnati nine (!) draft picks in order to take the Bengals spot in the draft. The Bengals refused. Brutal.

Peter Warrick – No. 4 in 2000: You know what Warrick is doing these days after a non-productive NFL career? Last I heard, he was playing for the Cincinnati Commandoes indoor team.

Justin Smith – No. 4 in 2001: Smith is coming off the two best seasons of his career. Unfortunately for the Bengals, he plays for the 49ers now.

Next Thursday, the Bengals hold the No. 4 pick, and optimism (or is that trepidation?), like every year, runs rampant in Cincinnati. History, though, indicates they probably won’t make the right selection. Another Carson Palmer? Not likely.

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Posted on: April 22, 2011 2:36 pm

The Bengals looking at building indoor facility

Posted by Josh Katzowitz

Bengals owner Mike Brown does not have many fans in the city of Cincinnati.

Most of the reasons are valid (the team has been to the playoffs twice since 1991, the club got a sweetheart deal from Hamilton County to build Paul Brown Stadium which has turned out to be a terrible deal for the city, and he refuses to increase the size of his scouting department despite less than impressive draft performances), and many fans are fed up with the club.

One of the biggest reasons Bengals fans shake their heads at Brown has been his refusal to build an indoor practice facility.

Cincinnati is the northernmost city in the NFL that does not have an indoor facility, and it’s always a ridiculous sight to watch the team bus 30 minutes to the suburbs in order to escape the freezing December temperatures while they practice at an indoor soccer facility (hell, the University of Cincinnati, which lies about 10 minutes north of Paul Brown Stadium, just opened a practice bubble for its athletic programs).

Now that his franchise QB Carson Palmer has said he’ll retire before playing another game with the Bengals, perhaps Brown has had a change of heart.

According to the Cincinnati Enquirer, the Bengals are considering preliminary assessments about an indoor facility – which the team (not the county) would build.

Obviously, the facility is still a dream – especially to coach Marvin Lewis. But if one of the reasons Brown convinced Lewis to return to the team was that he would build a practice facility, you’d guess that one will be erected at some point in the future. 

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Posted on: April 22, 2011 12:39 pm
Edited on: April 22, 2011 12:41 pm

Hot Routes 4.22.11: Sand-bagging special

Posted by Josh Katzowitz

  • In case you missed the CBSSports.com draft chat with Andy Benoit, Will Brinson, Rob Rang and Mike Freeman (with a cameo appearance by yours truly), you’re in luck. Click the link for the archived version.
  • Read this story from Fox Sports’ Alex Marvez about the potential of players sand-bagging their baseline concussion tests. It’s scary, and I’m sure it will happen.
  • All Falcons WR Roddy White wanted was some of his jerseys framed. Now, he’s asking for an arrest warrant to be taken out on the person who, according to White, is demanding $10,000 for the jerseys to be returned. Apparently, the two originally had agreed on a $400 fee for each jersey to be framed.
  • Former Ravens coach Brian Billick on why it’s so hard to get that first-round quarterback pick right. Money line: “I am living proof that if you miss on a first-round quarterback, as I did with Kyle Boller, you end up broadcasting games and writing about the NFL instead of coaching.”
  • Boomer Esiason sympathizes with any future Bengals QB. Said Esiason: "I have to completely sympathize with Blaine Gabbert if he does get drafted by the Bengals. I do believe he would make a great fit there, but as Cris (Collinsworth) and I both know, he is going to have to be a better player than advertised in order to be successful there because of the lack of support."
  • Lynn Chandis, who starred on Steelers teams in the 1950s and is second only to Gayle Sayers for career kickoff return average, died at the age of 86.
  • Positive news story of the day! Falcons owner Arthur Blank has donated $3 million to the Child Protection Center at Children’s Healthcare of Atlanta. Nice gift.

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Posted on: April 19, 2011 2:12 pm
Edited on: April 19, 2011 11:30 pm

Offseason Checkup: Cincinnati Bengals

Posted by Andy Benoit

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After the Bengals fell behind the eight-ball with a devastating turnover-infused loss to the Bucs in Week 5, they went into their bye a lowly 2-3 and searching the depths of their character for answers.

Problem was, the depths of their character included the collective souls of Terrell Owens, Chad Ochocinco, Pacman Jones, Rey Maualuga, Tank Johnson, Cedric Benson, Michael Johnson, Andre Smith, Carlos Dunlap, Frostee Rucker, Jonathan Joseph, Leon Hall and whatever other players on the roster who, at one point or another, have raised the red character flag.

None of these guys were individually heinous in 2010 (save for Owens), but collectively, they created a staggering void in the leadership department.

Offensive scheme

Bob Bratkowski is out as offensive coordinator, and deservedly so. In terms of complexity and sophistication, the Bengals’ system in 2010 was comparable to that of a really sophisticated Pop Warner team’s.

The receivers’ route combinations rarely worked off one another, making them easy to defend. The play-action game was non-existent, which was fitting because the run game was an afterthought.

Which brings us to the change: more power runs under new coordinator Jay Gruden. Expect Cedric Benson to re-sign and get about 25 carries a game. Not only is he best suited to be a bell cow, but the Bengals powerful but heavy-footed offensive line is best suited to play downhill, rather than in the frequent drop steps of pass protection.

1. Quarterback
Carson Palmer insists he’s retiring if the team doesn’t trade him. Owner Mike Brown may be great at playing hardball, but it would take a hardhead to keep Palmer around at this point. Besides, Palmer’s skills have declined (though not as much as you’d probably guess) and he clearly doesn’t trust his offensive line or receivers.

2. Pass Rusher
This need is almost as glaring as the potential need at quarterback. Antwan Odom has not been the same since injuring his Achilles. Robert Geathers was never the same after blowing out his knee. (Unfortunately for the front office, both players were inked to long-term deals before their injuries.) Athletic ex-Gator Carlos Dunlap earned some high marks as a second-round rookie last season, but equally as prominent were his low marks.

3. Interior Offensive Lineman
Right guard Bobbie Williams is aging. Left guard Nate Livings is the definition of average. Or maybe center Kyle Cook is. Whatever; the Bengals need more athleticism inside up front.

A healthy goal for the Bengals would be to regain respect. Self respect, that is. Individually, the Bengals are more athletically gifted than a lot of teams.

But their athletes have not lived up to potential or played well together. Ushering in a new wave of leadership would plant some positive seeds moving forward.

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Posted on: March 31, 2011 10:53 am
Edited on: March 31, 2011 4:25 pm

Bengals not interested in Mallett with No. 4 pick

Posted by Clark Judge

The Cincinnati Bengals are one of those teams that could use a quarterback, and one is coming to their neighborhood soon. That would be Arkansas' Ryan Mallett, who is scheduled to meet with members of the Bengals' staff Thursday evening and Friday.

Cincinnati has the fourth pick of the draft, and Mallett will not be that choice. But there's a chance the club could be interested if he's still there at the top of the second round, which he could be, which means the Bengals better do their homework on him -- provided, of course, they're interested.

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They could be. Mallett has an abundance of talent, and the Bengals have a need at the position. But there are concerns about the guy -- beginning with a "punk persona" that can alienate people -- that could push him down draft boards. Given the Bengals' history of assuming players who are character risks, I assume their board won't be affected by Mallett's behavior.

Which means it comes down to the talent, and he has it. Plus, as I mentioned, there could be -- no, should be -- an opening. The Bengals have a starting quarterback in Carson Palmer, but he notified the team he won't play for it again. That would leave Carson's brother, Jordan, or Dan LeFevour as the team's starter if Palmer stands by his promise and the club doesn't draft another quarterback.

But it will draft another quarterback. Too many people within the organization believe Palmer isn't bluffing. The club may not deal him, but it must start preparing for the day he's not there -- and that sure looks as if it's sooner, rather than later.

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Posted on: March 30, 2011 5:41 pm

Carson Palmer's house hits the market

C. Palmer has put his $2 million house on the market (Getty). Posted by Josh Katzowitz

Anybody who thinks that Bengals QB Carson Palmer is bluffing when he talks about retiring instead of stepping foot once more in Paul Brown Stadium – not that I imagine there are many of you out there – should look at his house listing on the Comey & Shepard website (via the Cincinnati Enquirer’s Joe Reedy).

Palmer is selling his place for $2.1 million (by the way, he paid $2.04 million for it in 2003) in the glitzy Indian Hills neighborhood.* It’s got five bedrooms, 5 1/2 baths, a three-car garage and a full basement.

*Yes, yes, Cincinnati actually has a “glitzy” area of town .

Altogether, the abode is 5,500 square feet, and according to the listing, it’s an “exceptional Home that exudes comfort, character & privacy” that sits on a five-acre lot.

But be careful. You’ll probably have to pay about $25,000 in property taxes per year. Of course, if you can afford a $2.1 million house, an extra $25K annually probably isn’t a big deal. Maybe it is to Palmer, though, considering he’s about to retire and probably needs to save all the money he can get at this point.

Obviously, I’m kidding about that. But for a guy who has tens of millions of dollars in the bank, a $2 million house doesn’t seem that much, does it? It seems rather modest actually.

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Posted on: March 23, 2011 8:55 am

Lewis getting under Ochocinco's skin

C. Ochocinco and Marvin Lewis have taken swipes at each other in the media (US Presswire). Posted by Josh Katzowitz

As far as coaching-media relationships are concerned, Bengals coach Marvin Lewis doesn’t have a great one with the Cincinnati scribes. He clearly doesn’t like having to deal with the media – considering I used to cover his squad, I can’t blame him on this point, because I know well the heathens that cover the beat – and he can be smug and condescending.

But sometimes, if you can get Lewis one-on-one or in the right situation (he once held an hour-long film session for the scribes so he could help us better understand linebacker terminology), he can be loquacious and friendly and fill up your notebook with strong quotes.

And when it comes to WR Chad Ochocinco lately, Lewis has had no problem speaking his mind. While speaking to the Cincinnati Enquirer and Bengals.com at the owners meetings in New Orleans, Lewis had a few things to say about his star/standoffish WR.

When asked about whether he expected Ochocinco to return to Cincinnati next season, he said: “Chad has a contract. The biggest thing about Chad - and obviously I’ve had a lot of time invested in Chad Johnson - he’s at a point in his life and career (where) hopefully he will continue to mature as a person and be a productive football player and person as he goes forward. To me looking at Chad, where is his life going to be in five years? As far as a football player he’s under contract and we’ll continue to evaluate things as we move forward.”

Then, Lewis really let off a good one. Asked about Ochocinco’s tryout with the Kansas City MLS team, here’s what Lewis had to say.

“Yeah, like he could make a soccer team. ... What has he ever done that he's completed? What circle has he ever connected?” Lewis said.

Which prompted this response from Ochocinco on Twitter: “Marvin Lewis won't say anything bad about Carson Palmer, stays kissing his ass, but disses @ochocinco daily” and “RT @BlkSportsOnline: Carson Palmer has given a big F-U to Marvin Lewis, but Lewis steadily says how wonderful he is. Makes Lewis a #hypocrite.”

At this point, it doesn’t sound like Lewis really cares what the thin-skinned Ochocinco thinks about him.

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Posted on: March 21, 2011 8:17 pm

Bengals not ready to trade Palmer

Posted by Josh Katzowitz

We’ve noticed lately that it appears the Bengals might be cracking a bit in regards to QB Carson Palmer’s demands to be traded. There’s been talk he could land with the Cardinals or the Dolphins, and it makes sense that Cincinnati would rather get something of value for Palmer instead of letting him retire.

Trading Palmer?
According to owner Mike Brown, though, nothing has cracked at all.

Speaking with the Cincinnati Enquirer’ s Joe Reedy and Bengals.com’s Geoff Hobson, Brown said, “I want him back and I will just leave it at that. I haven’t talked to any other team about him and I have no plans to trade him.”

Right, but what happens if/when Palmer retires, and you lose your nine-figure investment in him?

“I’ve seen any number of players who at one point did not want to reenlist come back and be quite happy about it,” Brown said. “It depends how it goes. As far as getting value, I don’t see any opportunity to get what I consider to be value. Having said that it doesn’t make sense to look to trade. It only makes sense to wait and hope Carson comes around.”

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