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Posted on: December 18, 2011 10:48 am
Edited on: December 18, 2011 1:21 pm
 

Polian: Colts rookie QB would struggle in 2012

Indy president Bill Polian doesn't think a rookie 'marquee player' will 'come in and contribute immediately.' (Getty Images)

By Ryan Wilson

The Colts are on a collision course with 0-16. This eventuality means a couple things: the inglorious end to the Jim Caldwell era and, quite possibly, the beginning of the end to the Peyton Manning era because Indianapolis will almost certainly draft Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck with the first-overall pick.

Except that, unlike Caldwell, Manning's Colts career might not already be over. Any number of variables will determine his future -- his health and the $28 option bonus he's due in March chief among them. And based on recent comments by team president Bill Polian, any scenario that has Luck playing as a rookie is a scenario that's fraught with possible disappointment.

“If we were to take a rookie quarterback [in the 2012 draft] and if we were to play him, he would struggle," Polian said during his weekly radio show, according to the TribStar.com. "Remember, Peyton was 3-13 his rookie year. He did not really look like the quarterback that he became until, ironically, this time of year in Baltimore [in 1998] where we lost a shootout [38-31]. ...

“It’s going to take any rookie, whether it be [2011 first-round draft pick] Anthony Castonzo [at left offensive tackle] or anyone else, a good long time, one year to get their feet under them and really know what the National Football League is all about," he continued. "Then you have an off-season program and the second year [and] now he’s ready to contribute. No matter who we draft next year, there’s going to be a break in period for them. You won’t see the real quality of that player until a year later and in some cases, depending upon what the system is and how he fits. It takes time for young players to develop,” he added.

“Even if we were to draft a marquee player in the first round, no matter who it is, that guy’s not going to come in and contribute immediately, unless he were a running back. That’s the exception.”

That's a great theory except for names like Cam Newton, Andy Dalton, and in the last few weeks, T.J. Yates, Jake Locker and Christian Ponder. As for rookies who don't play quarterback or running back there's: A.J. Green, Aldon Smith, Von Miller, Patrick Peterson, Julio Jones and Mike Pouncey, (see where we're going with this?).

So, yes, Polian's partially right -- there is a break-in period with rookies -- but it's a stretch to say that we won't "see the real quality of that player" for at least a year.

Also worth considering: if Luck truly is the best quarterback prospect since John Elway, it's all the more reason to get him on the field immediately and let him learn by doing. What's the downside? The Colts can't lose more than 16 games in a regular season. Plus, after Peyton's 3-13 effort as a rookie he went 13-3 in Year 2. And from 2000-2011, the Colts made the playoffs 10 of 11 times.

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Posted on: December 15, 2011 11:02 pm
Edited on: December 16, 2011 12:48 am
 

Brees: Contract talks 'tabled' until after season

By Will Brinson

A story that hasn't received much attention since the season began is the new contract that Saints need to get franchise quarterback Drew Brees. Figuring out how much Brees should get is a fairly easy exercise, as he figures to slot in between the $18 million a year that Tom Brady/Peyton Manning got and the $16 million that Michael Vick got this offseason.

However, things hit a snag, apparently, and Brees said that he and the Saints "tabled" any discussion of a new deal for now.

"You know, I didn't want it to become a distraction," Brees said, per Mike Triplett of the New Orleans Times-Picayune. "And from the discussions we had, going back and forth, there was no progress really being made. I really wanted to just focus on football.

"It's been tabled for now ... and just hopefully will resume when the time is right."

There doesn't appear to be any animosity between the two sides with respect to a new deal -- Saints GM Mickey Loomis indicated he's been in contact with Brees agent Tom Condon and said he was open to making a deal whenever it worked out.


More than likely, the season began and the negotiations never got wrapped up. Although that appears to be playing out in Brees favor, as his dominant, potentially record-breaking performance could end up netting him more cash.

The Saints still have the option of placing the franchise tag on Brees in the offseason, so they won't lose him, but it would be pretty surprising if New Orleans entered 2012 having not given Brees a new deal.

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Posted on: December 14, 2011 9:19 pm
 

If Colts go 0-16, Jim Caldwell's likely fired

Hardly shocking, we know, but 0-16 could mean curtains for Jim Caldwell in Indy. (US PRESSWIRE)

By Ryan Wilson

In the immortal words of Joe Theismann, you don't have to be Norman Einstein to know that Colts head coach Jim Caldwell isn't long for Indianapolis. Never mind that he was hand-picked by Tony Dungy, he's 24-8 in his previous two seasons, including a Super Bowl appearance in 2009.

The reality is this: Indianapolis is 0-13 and there's a reasonable expectation that by the time it's over, they'll be 0-16. Not having Peyton Manning has almost everything to do with the Colts' predicament. And that only makes things worse for Caldwell; if Indy's success hinges on Manning's health -- not Caldwell's ability to coach without one of his best players -- why keep him around?

Which is why, barring a miracle only Tim Tebow could deliver, Caldwell will be looking for work on or about January 1.

During his weekly Monday night radio show, team president Bill Polian admitted that, "I bear a lot of responsibility for what happened here and it weights heavily on me. It breaks my heart that there are good players and good coaches who are going through an awful time because we didn't build a strong enough football team."

But he also hinted that, ultimately, Caldwell could be held responsible.

"My fervent hope is that Jim's job is not in jeopardy because my fervent hope is that we don't go 0-16," he said, according to CBSSports.com Rapid Reporter Tom James. "And we're doing everything we can to try and avoid that."

On Wednesday, NFL Network's Jason La Canfora pretty much confirmed through sources what Polian intimated Monday. "…Unequivocally, an 0-16 finish by the Colts will cost Caldwell his job."

The possible follow-up question from some Colts fans: "Hey, Bill, what about you and (your son, Colts general manager) Chris?"

After all, a series of poor personnel decisions played a non-trivial role in Indy's current plight. (Forget Polian's recent admission that "we were getting ready to draft" T.J. Yates -- just take a look at the team's first-round picks from '05 to '10.)

A month ago, back when Indy was just 0-8, owner Jim Irsay said this about the Polian's future.

“I’m committed. In [the Polian's] defense, it’s pretty radical after the successes we’ve had to start even talking about the question, in my opinion. If this is five or six years or losing; you’re talking about eight weeks. The great things we’ve done, there has been a tilted sort of perception when you win so much that it’s disappointing."

Irsay was less certain about Caldwell.

“When it comes to changes and Jim’s status and that sort of thing, it’s something that eight games going forward, more will be revealed," the Colts owner said on November 4, according to the Indianapolis Star. "This situation is always changing. But it’s really going to be always what’s best to give us a chance to win. I don’t have any predictions or any votes of confidence or anything like that. I don’t have any non-votes of confidence. At this point, continuity is a good thing if it makes sense in terms of winning.”

Let's see: the Colts are 0-13 and their starting quarterback is Dan Orlovsky, the guy who was 0-7 as a starter with the Lions in 2008 (that team went 0-16), and is currently 0-2 in that role in Indy. Pretty sure continuity would be a bad thing. And who knows, when the Colts draft Andrew Luck, that thinking could extend to Manning, too.

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Posted on: December 13, 2011 5:52 pm
Edited on: December 13, 2011 6:07 pm
 

Polian: Colts 'were getting ready to draft' Yates

By Will Brinson

T.J. Yates didn't save the Texans season, but Sunday's come-from-behind win made it pretty clear that they've got a better chance at making a Super Bowl run with him under center than a lot of other players.

Like, say, Dan Orlovsky or Curtis Painter, the two guys currently swapping starts for the Colts because, according to Bill Polian by way of our Colts Rapid Reporter Tom James, Indy just missed on drafting Yates in the fifth round.

"We were getting ready to draft him in the very same round,” Polian said on his Monday radio show. "Houston picked before us if Im not mistaken.

"Should we have taken him a round earlier? Yes, without question."

One problem: the Colts didn't have a pick in the fifth round, so it's fairly unlikely they were about to take Yates at that spot. In fact, they traded their fifth-round pick to the Redskins who later traded the pick to ... the Texans.

Yes, that's right -- Yates was taken 152nd overall, which was originally the Colts fifth-round choice. Indy dealt the pick away along with the 53rd overall pick (their second-rounder) in order to move up four spots and grab Villanova tackle Ben Ijalana with the 49th overall pick. Ijalana hasn't played since Week 4.


Polian's second piece of logic remains the same, though: if the Colts thought highly of Yates, then they should have taken him late in the fourth round. Of course, hindsight and draft opinions are almost always through the gaze of 20/20 vision.

Polian essentially admitted as much by pointing out, via Brad Wells of Blue Stampede, that the Colts would have used a first-round pick on a quarterback in 2010 if they'd known that Peyton Manning would miss the entire season prior to the draft.

Polian didn't say which quarterback, but it's widely believed that he was interested in selecting Andy Dalton, now with the Bengals. Traveling back in a time machine and drafting Dalton or Yates probably wouldn't matter much for Indy; without Manning, they're pretty clearly doomed to mediocrity. (Polian also said, per Wells, that he made "poor judgment" on believing Curtis Painter was a capable backup.)

The only thing that matters is whether or not Polian and the Colts front office are smart enough to recognize their predicament now and address it the next time they have an opportunity to take a quarterback in the draft. Or as you might know it, with Andrew Luck and the first selection in 2012.

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Posted on: December 11, 2011 1:01 pm
Edited on: December 11, 2011 1:14 pm
 

Casserly: No 'scenario where Manning is traded'

By Will Brinson

It's widely believed that the Colts will land the No. 1 pick in the 2012 NFL Draft and use that selection to grab Stanford's Andrew Luck, who's all but said he's leaving school.

The bigger question is what the Colts will do with incumbent franchise quarterback Peyton Manning, who's likely done for the year, but due $28 million in early March.

CBS Sports Charley Casserly reported on Sunday that Manning's rehab is progressing, the Colts could potentially seek an extension on the deadline for that expensive option, and that he "doesn't see a scenario" where the Colts deal Manning elsewhere.

"This past week he was jogging on a treadmill and doing some light throwing," Casserly said on The NFL Today. "The Colts have not lost hope that they can get him back on the practice field before the season but there's no guarantee of that.

"If he's healthy in March, I expect them to pay him the $28 million they owe him and extend his contract by four years. If he's not healthy, I think what the Colts will look to do is ask for an extension of that deadline to pay the bonus with the hope that he will be more healthy later on to do it.

"Finally, I don't see any scenario where Peyton Manning is traded."


If Manning's willing to renegotiate the deadline for the payment based on his health, the Colts could end up with the best of both worlds, as they'd be able to properly evaluate Manning's health closer to the point at which they'd need to draft Luck.

Additionally, the Colts would have the option of exploring draft-day trade possibilities with other teams that might want to pay the hefty bounty required to obtain that top pick.

Regardless of how things play out, "the Manning decision" is a monumental, franchise-changing one, but the Colts ability to make a call will be greatly improved by their ability to further evaluate Manning's health without committing substantial financial resources to keeping him on the roster.

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Posted on: December 10, 2011 2:59 pm
Edited on: December 10, 2011 5:51 pm
 

Are the Redskins in Peyton Manning's future?

We've seen this cartoon before: player smiles, signs for big bucks, then underperforms, hates life. (CBSSports.com illustration)

By Ryan Wilson

Peyton Manning is due a $28 million option bonus this spring. Given that he's 35, hasn't played a down this season (and likely won't), and that the Colts are perfectly positioned to draft Andrew Luck with the first overall pick, there's a chance that Manning won't be in Indianapolis in 2012.

We discussed it on Friday's Pick-6 Podcast:


With a month left in the regular season, there's plenty of speculation about future landing spots for Peyton should his career with the Colts come to an abrupt, inglorious end. 

In the last week, no fewer than five national media types weighed in on where Manning could end up next season, and no fewer than five national media types mentioned the same team: the Washington Redskins.

Shocking, we know.

Here's the rundown (transcription and links via the Sports Bog's Dan Steinberg):

Michael Lombardi, NFL Network: [The Redskins have] a lot of money, a lot of availability, and oh, by the way, they really need a quarterback badly. They need a signature face on their franchise, and I think ultimately, that would be a great landing spot.

But the interesting factor here is Peyton Manning’s only played in three offenses: high school, at Tennessee, and when you look at Indianapolis. There’ve been three offenses, that’s it. If he goes somewhere, I would not be surprised if Tom Moore didn’t join him.

Chris Mortensen, ESPN: Ok, remember, we said that there’s still a big question mark of health. That’s something that nobody can speak to at this point. But if there’s a reasonable assurance that Peyton’s gonna be healthy, then who’s not gonna line up? The Washington Redskins are one obvious team. That’s unquestioned.

Adam Schefter, ESPN (appearing on Vinny Cerrato's Baltimore radio show): All you have to do is take a look around the league and say, who has a quarterback question? Who has a quarterback question? (“Washington,” Cerrato answers.)

Does Washington? Yes, Washington has a quarterback question. Does Miami have a quarterback question? Yes. Does Kansas City have a quarterback question? I think so. Does Cleveland have a quarterback question? Yes. I think Peyton Manning also is gonna dictate how this ends up and where he goes....I could see Washington involved, I could see Miami involved, I could see Cleveland involved. I could see maybe even — this is gonna sound ludicrous — but if Mark Sanchez flames out down the stretch, the Jets involved.

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And here's syndicated radio host Dan Patrick from his show earlier in the week: “Looking at the scenarios [on where Peyton could end up], I’m not looking at sort of the obvious places, except for Washington, I understand that…"

But Patrick's guest, Mike Florio of ProFootballTalk.com, offered a very good reason for why Peyton-to-DC won't work:

“I think Peyton’s gonna want a team that pays him a ton of money and that has the pieces in place for him to be successful. And I don’t know that he’d want to go to Washington, because look at what’s in place there with Mike Shanahan and Kyle Shanahan," he said. "Kyle wants to run that offense like a little kid with a joystick on the sideline. He wants the quarterback to just do whatever Kyle Shanahan wants. I think Kyle Shanahan’s younger than Peyton Manning, so I don’t think that’s gonna go over well if Peyton and Kyle Shanahan are trying to co-exist.”

Just last week, Archie Manning told CBSSports.com's Will Brinson that he thought his son and Andrew Luck could work together. (Archie later stated that he didn't "think [having Luck and Peyton on the same roster] would necessarily be a great fit for either one," before clarifying those remarks by reiterating his original take. "I'm sure they could [work together]," he finally said.)


Of course, there's always the chance the Colts win out, get to 4-12, and in all likelihood, take themselves out of the running for Luck. A quick glance at the schedule suggests that won't happen: they face the Ravens Sunday, then the Titans, Texans and Jaguars.

So, yes, expect to be hearing more about this in the coming weeks and months. And who knows, maybe Peyton just retires and takes the Ole Miss job.

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Posted on: December 8, 2011 3:00 pm
 

Irsay doesn't "envision Peyton playing' in 2011

By Will Brinson

This won't come as much of a surprise, but Colts owner Jim Irsay doesn't believe that Peyton Manning, sidelined for the entire season with a neck injury, will end up playing in 2011.

That's according to comments Irsay made to WRTV at a Super Bowl event in downtown Indianapolis recently, when he told the station that he "doesn't envision Peyton playing this season."

"These things take time. The best doctors can't predict. People often think someone knows for sure, and the answer is only time will tell," Irsay told WRTV, via The Indianapolis Star. "He is doing everything he can to get back and is working as hard as he can."

Really, the biggest surprise when we learned about the serious nature of Manning's neck injury is that he wasn't placed in Injured Reserve when the season began, in order for the Colts to add another body to the team.

Irsay's spent the season, however, sending out tweets about Manning's season not quite being done. And Manning himself told The NFL Today recently that he's cleared to throw, but not to practice.


The Colts have often been odd about their IR decisions, however, and putting Manning down for the year before the year really began wouldn't do wonders for ticket sales. (Not that 0-12 is helping matters.)

Lest you missed it, there's been quite the controversy this week about whether or not Manning and likely to be drafted quarterback Andrew Luck can co-exist on the Indy roster.

Now the general direction of rumors and chatter indicate that Manning could be traded (we'll worry more about suitors when it comes time, but the Jets, 49ers and Redskins all stand out as possibilities) or cut. After all, as Archie Manning said, "It'll work itself out."

The crazy thing is that if, in fact, Manning is done for the season, it's entirely possible he's already played his last game in a Colts uniform.

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Posted on: December 8, 2011 9:17 am
 

Pick-Six Podcast: George Atallah + Thurs Preview

By Will Brinson & Ryan Wilson

Despite there being no lockout, the NFLPA's been under fire for a number of issues (a lack of HGH testing, the suspensions of some Redskins, Cedric Benson) and union spokesman George Atallah was kind enough to join the show in break down where the union stands on those issues.

We also discuss in depth some of the issues surrounding HGH testing and whether or not it's a viable option for 2011.

Then Ryan and Will break down the Thursday night matchup between Pittsburgh and Cleveland, wondering if the Browns have any shot at all to upset the Steelers and if the trade that gave Atlanta Julio Jones (and the Browns Greg Little) is already a bust for Cleveland, and if Pittsburgh is the best team in the AFC.

The guys also break down Archie Manning's latest comments about Peyton and Andrew Luck and how they relate to the Colts future.

Did we mention that you should subscribe to the podcast via iTunes?

If you can't listen to the podcast below, download it here. And if you'd like to keep working while listening in your browser, pop that puppy out in a new tab here.



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