Tag:Patrick Ramsey
Posted on: March 6, 2011 10:37 am
 

Confusion over Joe Webb's future

There are questions about the readiness of J. Webb to be a starting quarterback (US Presswire). Posted by Josh Katzowitz

We mentioned a few days ago in Hot Routes that the Vikings didn’t offer a tender to QB Tarvaris Jackson, because the coaching staff apparently was satisfied with the play of second-year player Joe Webb and was willing to let Jackson walk away.

Well, that might not totally be the case.

In a little snippet in this St. Paul Pioneer Press notebook, Charley Walters writes that a source told him Minnesota considered trading for Broncos QB Kyle Orton but then “backed off.” The original idea came because, the newspaper explains, Webb is “nowhere close to being an effective starter.”

You’ll recall that we saw a little bit of Webb last season, and he was up and down. But he showed potential* as well – which, honestly, is more than Jackson has shown in a Minnesota uniform – and though it seemed clear he wasn’t immediately ready to jump into Brett Favre’s position, you could see that Webb has talent and could eventually grow into an effective starter.

*In fact, I wrote in December that Webb, playing against Philadelphia, showed he belonged in the conversation, because of his poise and multi-dimensional skills under center. In fact, this is what coach Leslie Frazier had to say after Webb led the Vikings to an upset of the Eagles: “It'd be hard for me to say that I knew that Joe would play at such a high level so consistently.”

So, yeah, it’s hard to figure how the coaching staff views Webb since we’re receiving such contrasting messages. Some say the coaches like him, some say they think he’s not ready.

Trying to trade for Orton would make sense on some levels for the Vikings. Even if he was nothing more than a one-year stopgap until Webb really is ready, Orton could have contributed to Webb’s growth as a quarterback (remember, Webb was expected to be a WR after Minnesota drafted him in the sixth round in 2010, and it was surprising that he beat out Sage Rosenfels for the third QB spot at the beginning of last season).

But since that trade for Orton didn’t work out, the Vikings staff will have to figure out what to do about Webb. Considering his backups would be Patrick Ramsey and/or Rhett Bomar, maybe Webb is the guy right now, whether or not he actually IS ready.

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Posted on: December 28, 2010 5:16 pm
Edited on: December 28, 2010 5:20 pm
 

Brett Favre inactive against the Eagles

Posted by Andy Benoit

This time, we can be sure that Brett Favre won’t emerge out of the depths of the injury list and suddenly start for the Vikings in primetime. Jason La Canfora of NFL.com reports that Favre will indeed be inactive for Tuesday night’s game against the Eagles.

This announcement was expected after Leslie Frazier said on Monday that the veteran quarterback had not passed his concussion test. Rookie Joe Webb will get the start. Patrick Ramsey is the backup.

As for Favre, the discussion for the next five days will be whether last Monday night’s game was the last of his career. The Vikings have a meaningless contest at Detroit next week. The only reason for Favre to play would be so he could walk off the field on his own terms in his final game. We’ll find out (and, of course, spend the next five days wondering aloud about it).

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Posted on: December 16, 2010 2:16 am
 

Vikes ink Patrick Ramsey

Posted by Will Brinson

The Vikings are "optimistic" (Zygi Wilf's word, not mine) about their game in TCF Stadium this Monday, but that's not necessarily because of their quarterback situation, which is so bleak that it required them to sign Patrick Ramsey on Wednesday.

However, the Ramsey signing doesn't mean the Tulane product will get the start Sunday. According to Judd Zulgad of the Minnesota Star-Tribune, Joe Webb will still get the nod if Tavaris Jackson and Brett Favre are injured.

Frazier indicated that Jackson, who's dealing with turf toe, is likely out, and Favre, who missed his 29th consecutive start Sunday, is considered an "optimistic longshot" (my words) to play Monday.

"I'm still holding out hope that things will improve for Brett," Frazier said. "He'll get another chance to have another day of work [Thursday] so hopefully he'll be able to do something. But the door is not shut on Brett playing in the Chicago game. He's improving. His injury is one where rest helps. So he's had a full week now. There's still a chance. I'm crossing my fingers and hoping that we'll get Brett back."

If his shoulder won't allow him to start, he'll likely serve as the third quarterback, with the rookie Webb starting and Ramsey backing him up.

Webb got run when Jackson was injured Sunday, and while less experienced than Ramsey, he has a better knowledge of Minnesota's offensive system at this point. "Joe Webb has the most familiarity with our offense," Frazier said during his weekly KFAN appearance. "He's been with us the entire season. Although he's coming off a hamstring injury, he'd be the next candidate. The next guy [Ramsey] would have to be ready to go in if something were to happen with Joe."

In other words, Ramsey's merely an insurance policy in case Frazier's flooded house gets hit by a tornado.

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Posted on: November 18, 2010 12:02 am
 

Dey Took Er Jobs: Did We Really Doubt Mike Vick?

Posted by Will Brinson

Dey Took Er Jobs takes a look at the various job controversies around the league. If you don't get the title, you don't watch enough South Park . This week: Where have all the job controversies gone? No, but seriously, we're all locked in! Also, Vick talk, because it's Vick Week. And who's on the hot seat?

It's fairly bizarre that for at least say, oh, five weeks we wondered whether or not Michael Vick should be the starter for the Eagles.

Well not so much wondered but at least kind of debated. Well, okay, after we saw how Vick played against Detroit and Jacksonville there wasn't a debate, but Kevin Kolb's performance against Atlanta and his strong effort while Vick was sidelined at least had people thinking twice.

Speaking of thinking twice, remember when Andy Reid decided to go with Vick and we all got all RABBLE-RABBLE! on him for not being man enough to make up his mind?

Yeah, we should probably all apologize for that, because he ended up being 100 percent correct in his decision making, which culminated in Week 10's fantasy point explosion where Vick piled up 413 yards and four touchdowns via the air and ground. (And really, it's kind of criminal that he didn't win both the FedEx awards this week.)

Reid's decision making also includes signing Vick in the first place, prepping him to be a better pocket passer, and putting him in situations to succeed (even if sometimes those situations have fans of football screaming "STOP LETTING HIM TAKE HITS TO THE RIBS, BIG GUY!").

At the end of the year, if the franchise tag survives the new CBA, Vick's likely to get tagged, which may be why the two sides have yet to discuss an extension. Mike Florio of PFT cites a source who says that Vick's contract/extension value is lower than one might think (relative to the market value of the guy he whipped on Monday, Donovan McNabb, who just got a pretty big deal) unless the Eagles can get some sort of assurances that Vick won't get in trouble. In fact, one of the sources points out that "all he has to do is breathe in the wrong direction and he will be suspended for life." Obviously that's a bit of hyperbole (after all, Vick survived his birthday party that wasn't exactly a Sweet 16), but not that much -- he's about to go from one of the greatest second-chance stories of all-time right back to super-popular, rich mega-bajillionaire.

His current humility and attitude towards life sure seems like it can survive that temptations that come along with that, but in the same way that Reid showed some good faith in Vick, well, the quarterback should reciprocate towards Philadelphia, even if it means taking less money than he could get elsewhere.

Reid's talents for offensive scheming fit Vick's talents for offensive performance, and there's no reason to mess with a good thing. Not saying he should completely cave on contract demands (this is a business after all) and not saying the Eagles should put all their eggs in one basket, particularly one with a history of not always holding up, but this is a pretty good marriage right now, and everyone involved would be wise to let it keep rolling.

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Elsewhere in the NFL, well, man, there ain't a whole lot of job issues anymore. We can start in Carolina (per usual), but at this point we're debating the semantics between Brian St. Pierre and Tony Pike, which is like debating between, um Mike Goodson and Tyrelle Sutton.

Actually, no it's not, because Sutton, along with Jonathan Stewart, aren't likely to play this week. Which leaves Goodson and whatever poor soul the Panthers have to start at quarterback against a Ravens defense that is suddenly enraged at being called "not elite." Should be good times!

Arizona's "solved" their quarterback problems the same way Seattle has -- by default. It just makes more sense to roll with Derek Anderson and Matt Hasselebeck at this point, rather than go with the alternative, which involves a rookie and Jesus Beard, respectively.

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Troy Smith appears to have solved the problems in San Francisco (yes, those problems were "losing" coupled with "crappy quarterback play") and, as we mentioned last week, why wouldn't he? Well, except for that ridiculous "week-to-week" tag that Mike Singletary hit him with; that's insulting to Troy and the team and anyone who's ever seen Alex Smith or David Carr lose games.

People lamented his height as a reason for not having quarterback success in the NFL, but that's a poor excuse when the talent is there. And, frankly, probably an indicator of why talent evaluation misses so badly sometimes.

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Even the Dolphins, who just lost TWO quarterbacks in the last week, aren't a debatable team, because there's Tyler Thigpen, who's had some decent success in Kansas City, and there's Patrick Ramsey, who has a resume with enough teams on it that even Todd Bouman cringes when he reads it.

So …

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Pants on Fire (Because, you see, it's a hot seat)

- Brad Childress: Once Brett Favre's lost all hope, there's no reason to continue believing that you've got a job as a head coach. Even more telling of Chilly's future is that he didn't know about Favre's "shoulder injury," which should probably be indicative of his status after this year. Frankly, the team's absolutely foolish not to give Leslie Frazier a chance right now.

- John Fox: He's as good as gone at this point, but give him credit for this -- he 100 percent has not lost the Panthers in terms of the team believing him. You can see it from those guys that they buy into what he's saying, even at 1-8, and that's perhaps the best possible endorsement one can give the coach of the worst team in football.

- Marvin Lewis: Donovan McNabb is making fun of his team's record. If you watched Monday night, you know Donovan shouldn't be making fun of anyone. So, yeah …

- Gary Kubiak: He got an endorsement from the owner, which is always considered a good thing, except it always ends in someone getting fired. Still, considering how terrible his defense is, maybe he should be getting credit for the fact that the Texans are 4-5.

- UMM, seriously, what happened? There were at least 15 guys on the hot seat a week ago. Now all of a sudden Wade Phillips gets fired, Jacksonville's a winner again, Lovie Smith is getting freebies from Chilly and everyone's either being coached by a new regime or a guy who's quickly reviving the team (yes, we're even lumping Mike Singletary there, but . NO GOOD PEOPLE. WE WANT MORE FIRINGS.

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Posted on: November 15, 2010 7:02 pm
Edited on: November 15, 2010 9:40 pm
 

Miami signs Patrick Ramsey, puts Pennington on IR

Posted by Will Brinson

Chad Pennington's season is officially over, as the Dolphins announced Monday that they placed on injured reserved. Filling Pennington's spot (after being named starter, he suffered a shoulder injury on just the third play of the game) is former Tulane standout Patrick Ramsey, who the club signed today.

Ramsey is the quintessential journeyman, having played for the Redskins (who drafted him out of Tulane with the 32nd overall pick in 2002), Jets, Broncos, Titans, Lions, Saints, Jaguars and now Dolphins.

He is, of course, still a better option than JaMarcus Russell, who Miami also brought in for a workout.

Tyler Thigpen appears to be the de facto starter for the remainder of the year -- some reports indicated that Chad Henne would miss the rest of the season, but Tony Sparano (kind of) refuted that possibility on Monday.

"I would say that at this particular time that that’s not accurate," Sparano said.

He also mentioned he was "hopeful" Henne would be back on the field this year.

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Posted on: October 22, 2010 1:28 pm
 

Garrard out Sunday; Bouman likely to start

Posted by Andy Benoit

Not surprisingly, the Jaguars have announced that quarterback David Garrard will not make the trip to Kansas City this Sunday. Garrard has sat out practice all week with a concussion. Backup Trent Edwards injured his thumb after replacing Garrard in the Monday night disaster against the Titans. Edwards is listed as questionable, though he also has not practiced.

No starter for Sunday has been named, but in all likelihood, the Jaguars will go with journeyman Todd Bouman, who was re-signed earlier in the week. Bouman last started an NFL game in2005. Patrick Ramsey is also on the roster, though unlike Bouman, he has not had four previous stints with the Jags. Thus, Ramsey presumably does not know Dirk Koetter’s system well enough to lead the offense at this point.

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Posted on: October 20, 2010 10:51 pm
 

Jaguars hurting at quarterback (more than usual)

Posted by Andy Benoit

Jacksonville Jaguars coach Jack Del Rio could be on the show Hoarders. Some people collect cats. Some collect magazines and newspapers. Some prefer garbage. Del Rio? He likes quarterbacks.

The Jaguars brought in yet another signal-caller Wednesday, this one just as washed up as all the others. Former first-round pick Patrick Ramsey, who has been a fringe backup for the past five years, was signed just days after ex-Saints backup Todd Bouman (last NFL start: 2005) was brought in. Here’s the kicker: Ramsey and Bouman split repetitions in practice on Wednesday.
J. Del Rio (US Presswire)
Maybe Del Rio doesn’t have a quarterback hoarding problem. It’s not like he’s Jon Gruden. The Jaguars’ frequent quarterback transactions (in addition to these two signings, they picked up ex-Bill Trent Edwards a few weeks ago) have been out of necessity.

Backup Luke McCown was lost for the season (ACL) in Week 1. Starter David Garrard suffered a concussion against the Titans on Monday. And Trent Edwards sprained his thumb after hitting it on a Titans helmet. The Jags nearly had to go to third quarterback Zach Miller, who, unfortunately, is actually a tight end.

Garrard is said to be improving, though before he can return to action, NFL rules mandate that he be medically cleared by an independent third party. If he is unable to go against the Chiefs on Sunday, it will be either Bouman or Ramsey under center.
Whoever it is, the Jags need to make sure he’s prepared. Del Rio was not happy with the play-calling limitations that came with Edwards being on the field Monday night (you may recall, the Jags essentially milked the clock during their fruitless fourth quarter comeback effort). Of the run-heavy late fourth quarter drive, Del Rio said:

"The best explanation I can give you is the fact that we just did some of the plays that we could do with Trent and where we were prepared to handle that particular situation.

"I wasn't wild about the consecutive runs there ... I would have loved to have seen us be able to score, at all, but score quicker. We spent too much time, in my opinion. ... We were a little bit handcuffed with a quarterback that had been here two weeks and that's part of what you have to fight through as a football team, preparing for different scenarios. And we got caught a little bit there and a little bit short in terms of what Trent was able to do and what we were able to do. ... I don't find it acceptable."

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Posted on: October 20, 2010 10:51 pm
 

Jaguars hurting at quarterback (more than usual)

Posted by Andy Benoit

Jacksonville Jaguars coach Jack Del Rio could be on the show Hoarders. Some people collect cats. Some collect magazines and newspapers. Some prefer garbage. Del Rio? He likes quarterbacks.

The Jaguars brought in yet another signal-caller Wednesday, this one just as washed up as all the others. Former first-round pick Patrick Ramsey, who has been a fringe backup for the past five years, was signed just days after ex-Saints backup Todd Bouman (last NFL start: 2005) was brought in. Here’s the kicker: Ramsey and Bouman split repetitions in practice on Wednesday.
J. Del Rio (US Presswire)
Maybe Del Rio doesn’t have a quarterback hoarding problem. It’s not like he’s Jon Gruden. The Jaguars’ frequent quarterback transactions (in addition to these two signings, they picked up ex-Bill Trent Edwards a few weeks ago) have been out of necessity.

Backup Luke McCown was lost for the season (ACL) in Week 1. Starter David Garrard suffered a concussion against the Titans on Monday. And Trent Edwards sprained his thumb after hitting it on a Titans helmet. The Jags nearly had to go to third quarterback Zach Miller, who, unfortunately, is actually a tight end.

Garrard is said to be improving, though before he can return to action, NFL rules mandate that he be medically cleared by an independent third party. If he is unable to go against the Chiefs on Sunday, it will be either Bouman or Ramsey under center.
Whoever it is, the Jags need to make sure he’s prepared. Del Rio was not happy with the play-calling limitations that came with Edwards being on the field Monday night (you may recall, the Jags essentially milked the clock during their fruitless fourth quarter comeback effort). Of the run-heavy late fourth quarter drive, Del Rio said:

"The best explanation I can give you is the fact that we just did some of the plays that we could do with Trent and where we were prepared to handle that particular situation.

"I wasn't wild about the consecutive runs there ... I would have loved to have seen us be able to score, at all, but score quicker. We spent too much time, in my opinion. ... We were a little bit handcuffed with a quarterback that had been here two weeks and that's part of what you have to fight through as a football team, preparing for different scenarios. And we got caught a little bit there and a little bit short in terms of what Trent was able to do and what we were able to do. ... I don't find it acceptable."

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