Tag:Pat White
Posted on: September 7, 2010 10:57 pm
Edited on: September 7, 2010 10:57 pm
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What will happen to Pat White?

P. White was cut by Miami this weekend, and his NFL future is in doubt (Getty). Posted by Josh Katzowitz

I saw Pat White play live three times when he was at West Virginia. He never failed to impress. Yes, he wasn’t the greatest thrower, but his athleticism and his field vision and his ability to do exactly the damn thing that he needed to do to lead the Mountaineers to victory were impressive.

He, simply put, is one of the best collegiate players I’ve seen.

But when Miami took him in the second round of last year’s draft, I thought it was just a tad high. Like two rounds too high. While I figured he wouldn’t be a star at quarterback, I thought he could remain in the NFL for a while if he could find a niche. Maybe be the next Antwaan Randle El (also selected in the second round) or Ronald Curry –athletic college QBs who caught on as NFL receivers.

Instead, it looks like White might be done after one lone season.

Pro Football Talk writes tonight that, after the Dolphins released him last week, nobody in the NFL has shown any interest in hiring him.

The problem, though White will go down as the greatest player in Big East history (and the guy who probably saved the BCS bid for the conference), is that he’s not big enough (6 feet, 190 pounds) and can’t take an NFL pounding (witness this video of last year’s Steelers game ).

Tonight, I asked, via a series of text messages, a former NFL player who followed White’s career at West Virginia what he thought about White’s NFL future.

Me: You surprised nobody seems interested in Pat White? Does his skill set just not work well in the NFL?

Him: Not really. I think he could help a team, but he would have to be willing to play another position while developing as a QB. Plus people are wondering why the Dolphins gave up on him after one year. But I think if he sticks with it, he can make it. Ala Jeff Garcia.

Me: How could you play another position and still develop as a QB? Doesn’t seem like there is enough time in the day.

Him: If he’s listed as a WR. He can still run scout team QB and do things like that. Would take doing extra.


But does White even want to play in the NFL? According to numerous reports, he had second thoughts about whether he even should return for his sophomore season. Thoughts of playing pro baseball again reportedly crept into his mind.

Maybe, just maybe, getting cut was the best thing that could have happened to White. Maybe the NFL isn't interested in Pat White, but maybe Pat White isn't interested in the NFL either.

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Posted on: September 7, 2010 5:32 pm
 

Browns part ways with 2nd round pick

Cleveland released D. Veikune today, a year after drafting him in the second round (Getty). Posted by Josh Katzowitz

It’s not all that often a team will cut the second round pick taken the season before. Even if the experiment hasn’t gone well, it’s not the norm for that squad to pull the plug as it enters that player’s second season.

But lately, there have been a couple teams that have given up on their 2009 second-round choices.

Already, Miami got rid of Pat White, and the Broncos traded Alphonso Smith (whom they traded up to get). Now, the Browns are washing their hands of LB David Veikune.

Veikune, a defensive end from Hawaii, was tried at outside linebacker and at inside linebacker last season. He was touted as a project – never a great description when you’re taking somebody in the second round – and the switching between positions might have hindered his progress, because he never could really settle in and learn one spot.

Since his strength was at rushing the passer, perhaps it didn’t make much sense to use him at inside linebacker either. He played 10 games and didn’t earn a single tackle, which also isn’t … you know … real good. Therefore, it was probably real easy for team president Mike Holmgren, who didn’t draft Veikune in the first place, to part ways with him.

In part, the Cleveland Plain Dealer writes, the Browns waived Veikune so they could give a roster spot to CB Derrick Roberson, an undrafted player who’s been on the practice squad of three teams.

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Posted on: September 4, 2010 11:32 am
Edited on: September 4, 2010 9:23 pm
 

NFL cut day: updating the latest noteworthy moves

Posted by Andy Benoit & Josh Katzowitz

On this NFL cut day, we're monitoring all the media outlets and waiver wire action like a hawk so that you can make this is your one-stop shop for instant news and analysis on all the latest noteworthy cuts. Stay with us throughout the day.

Troy Williamson, WR, Jaguars
This isn't a hugely surpising move, because it never seemed that Williamson had a chance to make this team. The Jaguars are stocked with talented young receivers, and in the end, there wasn't a need for a former first-round pick who's had such a disappointing career (eight catched in the past two years with Jacksonville).

Dre Bly, CB, Lions
The Lions secondary has been brutal the past few years, and Bly was signed in the offseason to add a veteran presence. Bly wasn't that bad last year with San Francisco, but if he can't make a Detroit squad that's still in need of secondary help, that's not a real good sign for the health of his career.

Justin Hartwig, C, Steelers
He'd been the starter the previous two seasons in Pittsburgh, but along came rookie Maurkice Pouncey and took away his starting spot. Now, Hartwig's spot on the roster is gone. The team apparently had been trying to work out a trade for him but obviously failed to do so.

Spencer Havner, TE, Packers
Perhaps you haven't heard of Havner, who has recorded only seven catches in his two-year career. But reporters close to the team expressed surprise that Havner was sent packing, mostly because of his versatility and because he was decent-to-pretty good in so many different areas (receiving, blocking, special teams).

Max Jean-Gilles, OG, Eagles
This was an interesting transaction and didn't have much to do with his performance in the preseason. Since the Stacy Andrews trade occured after the 6 p.m. cutdown deadline, the Eagles had to cut Jean-Gilles to complete the 53-man roster. The Eagles are expected to sign him Sunday - Jean-Gilles is a vested veteran that doesn't have to clear waivers. Unless, that is, somebody else comes to him with a better offer.

Chase Coffman, TE, Bengals
The 2009 third round pick of the Bengals didn't see any playing time last year, because even though he was a strong receiver, he had tons to learn on how to block (he never really had to do it in college at Missouri). Though we didn't know it at the time, the first-round selection of Jermaine Gresham this year and the comeback by Reggie Kelly probably sealed Coffman's fate

Sam Aiken, WR, Patriots
He was the special teams captain for New England, and it appeared he had landed one of the final WR spots. But apparently his deficiencies as a WR were too much for the Patriots to handle. Plus, he lost his gunner job on special teams earlier in the preseason.

Derrick Burgess, LB, Patriots
He had a league-leading 16 sacks in 2005, and he was a Pro Bowler that year and the next. But his skills have steadily declined since then, and against the Giants in New England's final preseason game Thursdasy, Burgess was terrible. He couldn't defend the run or rush the passer. And if you can't do either, New England - which will struggle to rush the passer this season - doesn't want you.

Trent Guy, WR, Panthers
Not a big-name guy, but he's got a great story. In July 2008, Guy was shot in the back while leaving a nightclub, and he barely escaped paralysis and/or death. Read the complete story here on the Charlotte Observer web site. Alas, he'll likely end up on Carolina's practice squad.

Troy Smith, QB, Ravens
After signing Marc Bulger in the offseason, the Ravens shipped away John Beck and now have released Smith. The former Heisman Trophy winner had wanted a trade in the offseason, but the Ravens never got around to it. But who would take him? He's got speed but his accuracy is questionable, and he doesn't appear to have the tools to be an NFL starter. The Ravens will keep only two QBs on the roster for now.

Chad Jackson, WR, Bills

Thought to have first-round potential, Jackson was picked in the second round of the 2006 Draft by the Patriots. So far in his career, he's made exactly 14 catches. Jackson was out of football in 2009, and that's exactly where he's going in 2010 as well.

Kraig Urbik, OG, Steelers
A third-round pick out of Wisconsin in 2009, Pittsburgh expected big things out of the 6-foot-5, 325-pounder. But he had a rough preseason last year, and he struggled while adjusting to the NFL speed. He eventually lost his backup spot, and apparently, the Steelers - who even tried him out at center in the offseason - have no use for him anymore.

Tank Tyler, DT, Panthers
The Panthers gave up a fifth-round pick to get Tyler last season. He had his moments but, as was the case in Kansas City, he never put it all together.


James Hardy, WR, Bills
The 6’5”, high-leaping ’08 second-round pick has not been the same since blowing out his knee. The Bills were hoping he could capture the starting job vacated by Terrell Owens.


Rhys Lloyd, K, Vikings
He was brought in to be a kickoff specialist. Vikings likely decided he wasn’t worth the extra cost (perhaps because they’re already paying a little extra to that old guy playing quarterback). Ryan Longwell will be pleased – he didn’t want to give up the kickoff duties in the first place.

Jay Richardson, DE, Raiders
He was a starter a few years ago but has tailed off as of late. Teams should take a look at him, though. At his best, he’s one of the more impressive run-defending ends in football.


Will Blackmon, CB, Packers
The athletic but oft-injured cornerback/return specialist reached an injury settlement with the team.

Pierre Woods, LB, Patriots
We mention Woods only because the Patriots spent four years waiting for him to come around. Most non-achievers don’t last four months in New England. In the end, Woods never did come around. He was given an opportunity to work with the first unit last season, but in five starts he recorded zero sacks. (In fact, in four years total, he recorded just one sack.)


Chris Simms, QB, Titans
Known more for his name than anything. Would have been nothing more than the third-string option in Tennessee. Recent legal problems certainly could not have helped his cause. Titans will likely keep sixth-round rookie Rusty Smith as the No. 3.

Chevis Jackson, CB, Falcons
The competition for the starting cornerback job opposite Dunta Robinson has been so fierce that you forget about any Falcon corners being on the roster bubble. This explains the mild sense of astonishment we’re all feeling when we hear that Jackson, a third-round pick in 2008, has been waived. In his two years with Atlanta, Jackson mostly competed for reps at the nickel position. Jackson was never awful for Mike Smith; it’s a virtual guarantee that some team will quickly snatch him up.

Ian Johnson, RB, Vikings
By no means a big-name NFL player. But remember the Boise State running back who proposed to the cheerleader after scoring the winning touchdown against Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl? This is him.


Matt Leinart, QB, Cardinals
What a disaster this whole saga turned out to be. Leinart is officially a first-round BUST. For more, click here .

T.J. Houshmandzadeh, WR, Seahawks
Given that his $7 million salary was already guaranteed, the Seahawks basically said they simply didn't want the veteran wideout around. You have to figure attitude played a part . What else could result in the sudden release of a surefire 70-plus catch weapon?


Brandon Stokley, WR, Broncos

He was everyone’s favorite “scrappy slot receiver” before Wes Welker. But at 34 and having caught only 19 passes last season, he’s expendable. The Broncos have been impressed with Brandon Lloyd, and they figure to develop high-drafted rookies Demaryius Thomas and Eric Decker.
Note: Stokley has a groin injury and, according to Lindsay Jones of the Denver Post, is still working out an injury settlement with the club. He's been placed on Injured Reserve, but when that's healed, he'll be released.


Jarron Gilbert, DT, Bears
Remember the San Jose State draft prospect who jumped straight out of a swimming pool last year? That’s about all the athletic defensive lineman is known for. Gilbert was drafted in the third round last season but hardly got on the field.

Allen Barbre, OL, Packers
Barbre, a fourth-round pick in 2007, showed up dripping with raw talent. However, things never materialized. Barber was victimized as a starter early last season and was never much of a factor in the ongoing job competition at guard.

Myron Rolle, S, Titans
The sixth-round rookie Rhodes Scholar was a favorite of the coaches. However, he lacked the necessary athleticism to thrive in the NFL. If he wants to continue with football, he could probably sneak on to a practice squad somewhere.


Jarvis Green, DE, Broncos
Seriously!? Green signed a four-year, $20 million free agent deal with the Broncos in March. He was a key contributor for eight years as a versatile downlineman in New England’s 3-4 scheme. But in Denver, Green eventually lost his starting job to Ryan McBean; the Broncos must have felt he was too expensive to be a backup (Green wound up walking away $3.225 million). With Ty Warren out for the season, the Patriots may want to consider bringing Green back.

Michael Clayton, WR, Buccaneers
Clayton has had one of the most enigmatic careers in recent NFL memory. He caught 80 balls for 1,193 yards as a rookie but has failed to top 38 receptions or 484 yards in the five seasons since. Injuries have never been a factor. Coaches say Clayton is the most impressive player in practice each week, but on Sundays, he pulls a Houdini. Bucs GM Mark Dominik must watch a lot of practice, as he gave Clatyon a new contract with $10 million in guarantees just last year.


Pat White, QB, Dolphins
The biggest name to get the ax (or is it axe?...why hasn’t society agreed on one spelling yet? ) thus far. Talk about wasting a second-round pick. White suffered a bad concussion late last season and was rumored to be questioning his football future earlier this summer. He wound up competing in camp, but the Dolphins no longer had a need for him after retaining Chad Pennington and bringing in Tyler Thigpen. Running back Ronnie Brown can continue to be the wild cat ace.

Josh Reed, WR, Chargers
This was to be expected after the trade for Patrick Crayton. Both are underneath possession receivers; Crayton, however, is a bit quicker and has been more productive in recent years.

Dave Rayner, K, Bengals
This means Mike Nugent has won Cincy’s kicking job.

Shayne Graham, K, Ravens
The longtime Bengal was expected to beat out Billy Cundiff for the Ravens kicking job. Apparently he didn’t. Cundiff has the stronger leg.


Donald Thomas, G, Dolphins
Arguably the most surprising cut thus far today – not because Thomas is a particularly good player (he’s not), but because he’s a third-year pro who started 12 games last season. Thomas badly struggled with his footwork and was too much of a plodder at times. The Dolphins signed Richie Incognito and drafted John Jerry to fill the guard spots over the offseason. Looks like Cory Proctor will wind up being the top backup inside now.


Darrell Reid, OLB, Broncos
The veteran special teams ace was on PUP all preseason with a bad knee. Even with Elvis Dumervil on IR, Denver still saw fit to move on. This tells you Reid probably had little chance of physically being ready to play anytime soon. The coaches also really like soaring newcomer Jason Hunter.


Travis Fisher, CB, Ravens
Fisher’s NFL career has been hanging by a threat the past few seasons. The former Ram is an experienced veteran, but the Ravens saw no place for him after trading for Josh Wilson.

J.P. Losman, QB, Seahawks
Could be back to the UFL for the underachieving former first-round pick.


Willie Parker, RB, Redskins
It’s common knowledge that running backs hit a wall around age 30. Parker hit his last year at 29. Parker’s yards per carry had decreased every season in his career until 2009 (when he had very few touches with the Steelers). He was hoping for a resurgence behind Mike Shanahan’s zone-blocking scheme, but with his speed diminished and body dinged up (injuries have hounded Parker the past few years), he couldn’t climb out from the fourth spot on the depth chart.

Brandon McDonald, CB, Browns
McDonald is best known for his disgraceful tweet about Terrell Owens earlier this offseason. Looks like his reputation will remain there for a while. McDonald’s playing career in Cleveland is over. He struggled mightily in man coverage as the Browns starting cornerback last season and was benched on more than one occasion. Throw in his flashy, irritating attitude and he became an easy player for Eric Mangini and Mike Holmgren to dump.

William Joseph, DT, Raiders
The 2003 first-round pick of the Giants could be on done for good. Joseph is 31 and has never achieved consistent success at the pro level. Then again, he’s been shuffled on and off the Raiders roster since 2008 – maybe this is just another shuffle. He was fifth on the depth chart at defensive tackle. The news here is that Joseph’s release could mean John Henderson makes the final roster. We’ll find out.

Matt Jones, WR, Bengals
The only thing he had going for him was a history of legal problems (which seems to be an attribute Bengals owner Mike Brown covets in a player). Jones is too lethargic off the line to be a quality NFL receiver. The Bengals found that out.

Patrick Turner, WR, Dolphins
Turner was a third-round pick just one year ago. The Dolphins thought they’d found the next Marques Colston. Instead, they found the next Joe Nobody. Turner never earned the respect of coaches and teammates.

Jon Jansen, OL, Lions
No surprise here. Jansen is a sagacious veteran, but at 34, he has reached his physical end. He was a major liability wherever he lined up last season.

Bear Pascoe, TE, Giants
Thanks to injuries to starter Kevin Boss, Pascoe spent a great deal of the offseason working with the Giants first team offense. Because Pascoe played in only four games as a rookie last season, he is eligible for the practice squad if he clears waivers.


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Posted on: August 20, 2010 9:35 am
 

Hot Routes 8.20.10: Positivity everywhere

Posted by Josh Katzowitz

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-Bills QB Brian Brohm, vying for that backup spot behind Trent Edwards, thinks his performance against the Colts on Thursday night went “pretty well.” Coach Chan Gailey counters that by saying Brohm was just OK.

-Despite the 13-point loss toe Bills, Indy Star columnist Bob Kravitz finds some reasons to be positive . Their names are QB Curtis Painter and KR Devin Moore.

-I didn’t watch much of the Patriots-Falcons game beyond looking for how Patriots WR Wes Welker would perform – he did quite well – but I did notice Falcons DE Kroy Biermann. So did coach Mike Smith .

-Something seems a little off about this picture . I actually have some friends who are field turf management guys (albeit for baseball). This would never happen under their watch.

-The Eagles say it’s a different training camp feel with Kevin Kolb as the starting QB instead of Donovan McNabb.

-Dolphins QB Pat White is quickly becoming an afterthought . And man, he was so good at West Virginia.

-Cowboys C Kyle Kosier, who suffered a sprained MCL, is hoping to get back by season opener.

-Joe Haden is pushing Eric Wright for a starting spot in the Cleveland secondary . Wright says he’s fine with the competition. It probably helps that he’s coming off the best season of his career.

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Posted on: August 10, 2010 9:58 am
Edited on: August 10, 2010 10:09 am
 

Hot Routes 8.10.2010

Posted by Josh Katzowitz

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--The Steelers don’t have much depth at outside linebacker. Which is why they drafted Jason Worilds in the second round and Thaddeus Gibson in the fourth round. Still, through a combination of problems , Pittsburgh isn’t getting much production from those two.

--Ravens safety Dawan Landry has been flat-out hurting people in training camp. He busted Willis McGahee’s lip and he smashed Derrick Mason so hard that Mason sprained his ankle. Without crazy-man FS Ed Reed in the lineup for the time being, Landry is exactly what Baltimore needs in its shredded defensive back corps. 

--The Dolphins released a preseason depth chart, and there a couple of interesting decisions on there. For one, Joe Berger is ahead of Jake Grove for starting center. Brian Hartline is listed as a starting WR. Chad Pennington is fourth-string QB behind Tyler Thigpen and Pat White. ESPN.com cautions none of this means much of anything yet.

--Jets coach Rex Ryan admits he made a mistake last year placing Vernon Gholston at outside linebacker. Gholston has been an absolute bust since New York took him in the first round of the 2008 draft – come to think of it, maybe we should wait at least one more year before giving him the big ol’ bust label, though Gholston has been pretty bad – but Ryan says he’s really excited about Gholston’s prospects this season. 

--Dolphins CEO Mike Dee wrote a letter to Miami’s fans and posted it on the team’s web site , apologizing for canceling Monday’s practice at Sun Life Stadium. Take it easy, Mike. I don’t think fans will blame you for the weather. Still, a class move from Dee.

--What will it be like when the Patriots and Saints hold a joint practice today? The Boston Herald has the FAQ and the answers . There won’t be a scrimmage, but the two teams will work together in individual drills and some down-and-distance situations. 

--The Browns players have 17 active Twitter accounts, but after Brandon McDonald’s crude Tweets in the past, the Cleveland organization will be paying a watchful eye at how the rest of the Browns participate in the social media world. Mangini, though, admits that he doesn’t expect his players to stop using Twitter

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Posted on: July 31, 2010 10:43 pm
 

Pat White practices, talks to reporters

After missing practice Friday with personal issues, QB Pat White made his way to Dolphins training camp today. After practice, he talked with reporters.

“I’m having personal issues; they’ve been handled,” White said. “It is what it is, I’m happy to be back out here. (I am) thankful that I have people around me that care about people in general and just thankful that my teammates are here and we’re working and moving on to the next level.”

White wouldn’t elaborate on what those issues are – or were.

“We can talk about football from here on out,” he said. “My personal issues (are) over; it’s done with. And I’m back to football. Excited to be out here, enthused, and enjoying the atmosphere.”

And other than that – not to mention a few, “I love the game of football” quotes – that was as far as White would let reporters delve into his mind.

--Josh Katzowitz

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Posted on: July 31, 2010 12:47 pm
 

What's up with Pat White?

Pat White did not arrive for the first day of Dolphins training camp. Rumors swirled: White was going to be traded; White was upset; White had been injured and would be lost for the season.

That last story gained some legs. The Sun Sentinel and Miami Herald both reported that White was out with a non-football injury and would possibly miss the 2010 season. But today, White made a surprise appearance at Dolphins camp.

Mike Berardino of the Sun Sentinel spoke with White’s older brother. Berardino writes:

Pat White is a good guy with a fine future. But that doesn’t take away from the fact White is dealing with a personal issue that a source has said makes playing football difficult for him at this stage.

“I couldn’t tell you what day he’s going to be out there or when he’s going to be back on the field,” Bo White Jr. said by phone from Daphne, Ala., where the White family lives and Pat White starred in high school. ” “Being a young man, he’s just trying to find – I’m trying to put this in the best way — I guess his position in life. I think that may have something to do with it. Just life, you know, in general.”

Berardino points out that the scary concussion White suffered against the Steelers late last season might be resonating with White and his family:

Pat White’s parents, Bo Sr. and Vonametris, were at Sun Life Stadium on that frightening Jan. 3 when their son was wheeled off the field on a motorized cart following a helmet-to-helmet collision with Steelers defensive back Ike Taylor. Bo White Sr. rode in the ambulance to the hospital with his son, while his mother rode in a squad car to the hospital along with Patrick Turner’s father, who is a police officer in Nashville and was at the game as well, Bo White Jr. said.

Following that hit, which resulted in White’s second concussion in as many seasons — he also suffered one against Rutgers as a West Virginia senior, his older brother said — there was some thought within the family of possible retirement.

-- Andy Benoit

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