2009 Steelers Draft and Mel Kiper Sucks Thread

Forgot to mention Travas King WR Georgia - he's another kid I thought played well.. made one real nice open field move stoning a North DB... and several other catches...

and on the down side - Margus Hunt..  no thanks... belongs in a semi-pro basketball league.. not the NFL..

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bb

Lastly - Anybody have some intell on ILB from Mizzou?  Z. Gooden?  He had a nice game also...


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EJ might have been throwing behind the better line, but he still has to see the open guy and hit em, which the other QB's failed to do really. I still think he's the QB that is a lot like Ben, we're not looking for a starting QB, we're looking for a reliable backup that isn't injured all the time and can make all of the throws when called upon. EJ made this one play in his final drive on a 3rd and 5 play to keep the drive alive. Datone Jones had him dead nuts on one play EJ'S side stepped his rush extended the play kept his eyes downfield and converted the 3rd down play for a first down.

If you have watched any of the FS games this year might have a more negative opinion. EJ will never be an efficient NFL QB.  I'm not real sure of any Senior Bowl Qb's will be. Geno wasnt too smart skipping the SB he could have raised his stock significantly. Looks like Barkley will be right back in the mix of 1st rounders which I dont think any should be.

I don't hate Datone Jones, just the idea of him as an OLB.  

I don't hate Datone Jones, just the idea of him as an OLB.  

Yeah I went back and read what Wexell wrote and he said "able to play in the 3-4". I hadn't seen any film on him at that point and just assumed he meant as a 3-4 OLB. Once you posted the youtube tape it was obvious what he meant. Since then I've read where a couple of guys think he has the frame to put on 20lbs.

I can see Datone playing the 5 tech in the 3-4, and he's already at 280 and is 6-4, I can see him gaining another 10 lbs but no need to add 20. He has a great motor right now and don't want to slow that motor down with extra baggage.

If you have watched any of the FS games this year might have a more negative opinion. EJ will never be an efficient NFL QB.  I'm not real sure of any Senior Bowl Qb's will be. Geno wasnt too smart skipping the SB he could have raised his stock significantly. Looks like Barkley will be right back in the mix of 1st rounders which I dont think any should be.

I don't see any first round graded QB's in this draft that have the "it" factor. A few teams will reach. When we look at QB in the draft it's to back up Ben Roethlisberger, nothing more than that.  Barkely is a combination of Jimmy Clausen and Jake Locker. Geno Smith is halfway between a combination Cam Newton and EJ Manuel, not a first rounder IMHO.

The good news is that teams taking a QB before pick 48 pushes good players back to the Steelers. I am hoping there is a run on QB early in the second round before Pittsburgh picks.  KC would be smart to take Luke Joeckal, or trade back for someone going to get stuck with Geno Smith.  THen at pick 34 there shold be at least 3-4 QB available, worth a second round grade.  I do not agree with Walter Football and the QB's going 1st and 8th. What I think is that a team like Buffalo will trade with Atlanta to move ahead of KC, PHilly, Jacksonville, NYJ, and the Cardinals. They can grab thier guy right there, taking Eric Fisher 8th. Now you got a QB and LT and probably have to give up your 3rd rounder.  LIke I said there are 3 LT's in this draft, grab them. The QB situation is not so clear, there are 8-10 guys who "could" be an NFL starter or a bust. Joeckal, Fisher, and Johnson are much less riskier of a pick.


Should Datone Jones be in the conversation at 17, I think so. ZIggy ain't getting pressure, Woodley is living off of his rep. Interesting Harrison will restructure, not sure about the savings, but I think he has a season left in him. If not give Worilds the spot, and hopefully draft a backup.

Studying the cbs version of NFL draftscout, you got some real risers and fallers, but Dane Bugphuccer is uselsee as a cellophane condom.  I wish they would put a number next to the rankings, for change, like Draft Tek does. (+/-) The new board has the OL flying up the board, Warmack, Johnson, Fisher, Cooper are all top 20 on their board, Joeckal was already at the top.

Another disagreement I have with Mayock is that he had Warford as a 4th rounder going into the Senior Bowl. It was clear to me he was the 3rd best OG in this draft and will go mid second now, I thought mid-late second before the game.  Walter Football has him going 60th to the Falcons, I say 47th to the Cowboys, he is the next Larry Allen.

bb, you like Christine Michael for value, not sure what round they look at RB, I look at nfl draftscout as a guide to see where talent is bunched, 104-150 there are a lot of RB's graded 3-5 round, I think no earlier than the 4th unless they really like someone and he is there at pick 79 in the third.  The two small school standouts at SS, Cypriun, and Wilcox,  have low grades right now, they will go earlier than their grades 4th and 7th rounder respectively.

The guys over on Steeler Depot put out their First mock:

1)  Kenny Vaccaro S Texas

2)  Quinton Patton WR Louisiana Tech

3)  Corey Lemonier OLB Auburn

4)  Le'Veon Bell  RB Michigan State

5)  Gavin Escobar TE San Diego State

6)  Vince Williams ILB Florida State

7)  John Wetzel OT  Boston College

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Not wild about he Bell pick...  see Ron Dayne...   was not impressd with Escobar either...


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bb

couple of side notes...

Pro Bowl - I didn't watch a second of the game.   I'd rather watch paint dry - what a farce...

I'm a fan of the N.O. Saint fans...  and their signs..  "FIRE GOODELL".....

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After Senior Bowl I think Patton in the 2nd and Williams in the 6th are pipe dreams.

Adrian Robinson Temple OLB, check this kid out, he can play- screams black and gold to me

2K on page 7 back in September 2011, good call.

After Senior Bowl I think Patton in the 2nd and Williams in the 6th are pipe dreams.

on Patton, probably won't last until 48, however that just pushes someone back. There are only X amount of top 50 players, and if you keep moving guys up, someone has to fall.

By pick 17 all three LT will be gone, Then soon after DJ Fluker , who has weight issues, plus maybe Oboushi (no thanks), Long, or Thomas 2 more OT gone by 48.  Also before the Steelers pick 48th,  7 QB will be taken, and a lot of 3 techniques that don't fit. There could be a run on WR early second, and that will push a CB back, or maybe Tyler Eiffert falls, lots of possibilities.  Someone will reach for Hankins and Jenkins, again no thanks, their motor is too hot and cold. Heck maybe the DT from Alabama falls to 47, Jesse Williams.


Call me a nutjob, but the Patriots will trade back..... I mentioned Atlanta trading back, but if Zach Ertz is there, he replaces Tony Gonzalez.  Again, all the teams passing on QB in round one, will try and leap frog one another, maybe into the low 20's, I think a team like the Jets is going to try and jump ahead of Arizona in the second, trying to get competiton and more or less a replacement for Sansuck. The only reason they don't cut bait is the contract that Tannenbaum stuck Woody with. The other interesting thing is that Jenny Jones and the Cowpokers could try and land a QB early, they pick 18 and 47, let's face it Tony Romo ain't getting them to the Super Bowl. But Alex Smith and Matt Flynn are interesting in Free Agency.

Did anyone read the article on the Senior bowl on ESPN? It was poorly written by some bloggers:  Hugh Janus, Jack Sauff, Nowi Deeuh, and Anita Brane.   Driving to work the other day, a former, or current, not sure, ESPN puke has a radio show on, he goes bloats. How anyone can give a microphone to Erica Sillyass is just mind boggling, people listen to him,, wow, just wow. He ain't as bad as Colon Cowdung, but he is pushing to be on the same level as Jim Rome. And don't even get me started on WFAN, with that tubbachit Mike Fransuckhole. He's got that NY accent that makes you grab the aspirin bottle and change the channel.  I just want a sports radio show that is not about the host, but about sports outside the NBA. ANother pet peeve, they waste half the show pro basketball, which a lot of us older guys stopped watching.

I just want a sports radio show that is not about the host, but about sports outside the NBA.

Satellite Bites. SiriusXM Channel 88 - NFL radio.

Ivan Jakinov had a nice blog article.

Did anyone read the article on the Senior bowl on ESPN? It was poorly written by some bloggers:  Hugh Janus, Jack Sauff, Nowi Deeuh, and Anita Brane.

I remember that crew.  They used to work with Betty Humpter and Haywood Jablowmie. 

I am warming up to Draftek, at least they have players we talk about.

Love the 6th round pick, ILB Greg Blair.  Vacarro at 17 passing on Warmack, not sure, but not unlikely.  THey bring up a good point on RObert Woods, how is the ankle, if he checks out medically, great pick at 48. What I also like on their big board is they have Margus Hunt dropping way down to the end of the third round, that to me makes more sense than Draftscout who still think he is an early second rounder.  PUt the tape on as Mayock says, who showed up in the Senior bowl, he became a ghost.  The one thing we did not focus on was why Patton did not have  a big game. First off the quarterback play sucked rhino ass, other than a few throws by Glennon, and a few drives  by EJ Manuel. Second watch who was covering Paatton.  Back to the mock, big board.

I do not think Brandon Williams lasts as long as they think, I believe he can either be a NT or a DT, he has explosion off the ball, and has a low center of gravity. I like his motor way better than Jenkins and Hankins. My gut says the higher rated NT's are both over-rated based on size and conference. Let's not get all wrapped up in guys who are 350-360, Williams is 325 and he's a load. Pat Kirwin likes the kid, that says a lot about his character. The fact that he had a bad Monday and by Saturday was a force says even more about his desire. That's the thing, Hankins and Jenkins, do they have it in them for 50 plays a game, I say nope, and I like Williams as a better fit. Wasn't the knock we had on Ta'amu?

Taking Brian Winters is not a bad pick, but I would like to see them target a TE earlier, either Travis Kelce or Michael Williams. Who knows what the time table is on Heath Miller. Leonard Pope looks more like a power forward, and Paulson looks like a small forward.  I am on board with both rarebreed and burghball, Willams and Kelce are better fits than the TE RIvera that Dratek gave us late in the draft. Rivera is more like a Aaron Hernandez, 6-3, 244, I would prefer taller, wider, and a guy who can knock LB off the LOS. Pittsburgh already has a TE that is similar to Rivera, Jamie McCoy on the  PS. Round 3, getting Eddie Lacy is a pipe dream, let's be honest here. For some reason they are high on TE out of SDSU, Gavin Escobar, someone we should discuss. They have Kelce way too low IMHO and I am sorry but Dion Sims is not better than Michael Williams.

And finally one site got it right, watch Spencer Nealy go in the 5th round, not 7th-Undrafted like nfldraftscout predicts. Put the Alabama tape on.  (watch what he does to center Barret Jones) If I'm looking for a guy who can play the 5, and can also line up inside, Nealy is a great pick on the third day. And if in a year or two, he does not pan out, at least I will have the humility enough to admit I was wrong. I will be the biggest assclown on Draftday making dumb predictions on Jimmy Clausen or Ryan Leaf.

* will NOT be. ......... assclown.

fixed it. That's Kiper's job. BTW the bafoon is advertising for a sports broadcasting training school on Sports Talk Radio, will these guys stop at nothing to make a buck? 

 Vacarro at 17 passing on Warmack, not sure, but not unlikely

Not sold on Vacarro. He delivers a good blow and is solid, but at pick 17 I want my safety to be more of a ballhawk and get turnovers. I'd rather adress safety in the mid to late rounds.

On Warmack, he is a great prospect but I'd rather take Warford in the second than Warmack in the first if that makes sence. Put him next to Adams on the right and I could run behind those guys.

Whats peoples thoughts on Stefron Jefferson RB Nevada. Had good production this year and could be had later in the draft?

I know little about Stefran Jefferson, I watched Nevada and I don't remember him standing out, in that game Duke Williams looked average, looked much better in The Senior Bowl. Something to think about at 17, take the #1 rated player at his position. That could be WR . OG, ILB, S