Allow me to help you out here, punk.Let begin this by stating quite frankly, Wahoo Jake and I RARELY see eye to eye...
Wahoo Jake has been a fan of the Browns (and Cleveland sports in general) since before you were still chitting in your knickers. You've been on this site for a grand total of 34 days and have the audacity to call someone out because he posts an idea or opinion?
How about you "Google" the word manners and then come back.
Some have the opinion that I ramble on...what's yours?
You do indeed tend to ramble on. Tongue outYou need something to read, don't you?
The incoming coach has no ties to Lewis and will want someone in here that he hand picks...which is why my opinion is that both McCoy and Weeden's days are numbered as well.
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[Tim Tebow] is coming off a miserable season in which he never got a chance to show whether or not he can be an NFL quarterback. But Tebow’s college coach says Tebow can and will still get that chance.
Urban Meyer, the Ohio State coach who was Tebow’s coach at Florida, said on Mike and Mike in the Morning that he’s sure Tebow can be an NFL quarterback — if only some NFL team will let him play the position the way he plays it. Meyer, who has been one of the most successful coaches at employing the spread offense in college football, says he’s starting to see spread concepts employed successfully in the NFL, and he’s sure Tebow can have the same level of success as [Robert Griffin III], [Russell Wilson], [Colin Kaepernick] and [Cam Newton] if Tebow plays in an offense tailored to his skills.
“We watched RGIII at the Washington Redskins, Wilson at the Seahawks, the new quarterback at the 49ers, and Carolina, and they are actually running a spread offense in the NFL,” Meyer said. “So my hope is, and I’m sure Tim feels the same way, is to go play in one of those systems where they let him play.”
Meyer is certainly right that Tebow has a much better chance of succeeding in the NFL if some team will tailor its offense to his skills. However, the reality is that Griffin, Wilson, Kaepernick and Newton are all both better passers than Tebow and better athletes than Tebow. We’ve seen in the NFL in the last couple of years that some of those spread offense concepts can work in the NFL. But that doesn’t necessarily mean those offenses can work in the NFL with Tebow running them.
Still, Meyer says Tebow is upbeat and ready to play somewhere.
“I talk to him every week, and he’s still the most positive guy I’ve ever been around,” Meyer said. “He was so excited to go to New York and play for coach Ryan and the whole situation there. It didn’t turn out, but you have to move on.”
Tebow would love to move on with some coach who will show the same confidence in him that Meyer has.
Let begin this by stating quite frankly, Wahoo Jake and I RARELY see eye to eye...Thanks IDawg... But we really enjoy the dialogue and differing points of view...
But we really enjoy the dialogue and differing points of view...Why do you think I keep coming back?
Challenge accepted!
Come on, Duff ! It's on again . . .
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I even saved one of our exchanges on my blog so I can go back in three years and say na nanny boo boo! I told you so!If Arians wins a Super Bowl within the next 3 years as a HC some where, I will gladly eat crow. As I said before, it isn't because I don't think he is a good coach, or underqualified, it is because I want someone that will be here 10-15 years to add stability...Now if he is STILL going strong in 10 years, then I will REALLY eat crow and call you master..
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A round for the resident Codger who’ll now have ample time to fix the hole in his boat
Congrats Lym enjoy your retirement
Crazy Crex’s New Year Musings.
Out with the old:
Phil Dawson – It’s awesome that he was selected to the Pro-Bowl, finally. I honestly don’t know that there is another kicker in the NFL who is much better when the pressure is on. Would love to have him signed for 2-4 more years, not sure it’ll happen though. You’ll be missed. May your next team be somewhere, far, far, away from the AFCN. I’ll only have to root against you when your new team plays the Browns.
Josh Cribbs – A dying breed in the NFL. Travis Benjamin is faster. Although with a creative coaching staff, he and Cribbs would make a very dangerous return duo.
Heckert – Didn’t hit on all his picks, but has put some talent on the roster. Would prefer he stayed for lack of a better option at this point.
In with the new:
Jim Haslam – After writing a Billion dollar check let’s hope he gets things turned around sooner rather than later. 2013 not 2031.
Joe Banner – Let’s hope he is the right man for the job. I’ve a feeling he’s a bit too power hungry and it may or may not work for the Browns.
New HC – Given what has been reported about how much authority the new HC will have. I don't like the idea of bringing in any college coach that has absolutely NO NFL experience and hand him that much control over the team. To do so could mean suffering through another 2-5 losing seasons.
New GM – IF it is Mike Lombardi, prepare thyself for another decade or two of mediocrity. If you thought Heckert did a bad job, I can’t wait to hear what you say about this guy in a year or two. There is a reason he does not currently work for ANY of the NFL’s 32 franchises.
Stick with the QB’s we have. Despite SAS’s opinion of the QB’s we have I truly think that POOR coaching made them look worse than they really are. Shurmur did nothing to scheme the offense to the strengths of the guys he had. While they may not be HOF material, the other options currently available do not appear any better than what we already have. That includes FA and the draft.
Given the changes already occurring in the Browns Organization, next season could be one that we feel good about or we’ll all be here again lamenting another lost season. I truly hope I’m here celebrating a championship like season with everyone, but fear that I’ll be here drowning my sorrows once again.
I hope everyone has a great year in 2013.
By Tony Grossi
The Morning Kickoff …
A quick coaching search: I’ve been told by a solid source that the Browns want to introduce their new head coach in seven to 10 days. If that’s the case, the new man will not come from a team involved in the [NFL playoffs]. Here is how I evaluate the candidates linked to the Browns.
The top rung
1. Nick Saban: Close your eyes and imagine a coach taking the Browns to the Super Bowl. The image of Saban easily comes to mind. He possesses all the qualities Jimmy Haslam has listed as imperatives. He has achieved amazing success as a head coach in the NFL feeder league – college football’s Southeastern Conference. He never reached the Super Bowl during his six years in the NFL – four as Bill Belichick’s assistant in Cleveland and two as Miami head coach. This last point is a positive. At 61, Saban has achieved everything in his profession except reaching the Super Bowl. Unlike those on this list who have “been there, done that,” Saban would be especially driven not to fail in what probably would be his last coaching venture. I have three good sources who believe Saban won’t leave, but each admits Saban could change his mind. By the way, Saban would be the most difficult head coach for media because of his dictatorial restrictions.
2. Bill Cowher: I have always considered him the perfect Browns coach – played and coached here, dominated the Browns as Steelers coach, has a [complete] understanding of the AFC North and an unabashed appreciation of the Browns-Steelers rivalry, is tough and demanding and a fiery leader. The assumption that he would never take a job in the Steelers’ division out of respect to the Rooney family is myth, I contend. Still, he has turned down the Browns on at least two occasions, and several other clubs. He has gotten too comfortable as a CBS football studio analyst and evidently does not have the drive anymore at age 55. That is sad because he probably left a couple Super Bowl appearances on the table when he retired to TV land.
3. Jon Gruden: He has been unduly criticized for his ultra-positive spins as a “Monday Night Football” analyst. As a coach, he favored veteran-laden squads and was hard on his team and staff. But he won, possessing winning marks in regular season (95-81) and postseason (5-4). He has connections to Haslam (grad assistant at Tennessee) and Banner (Eagles coordinator in 1995-97. A Sandusky native who played quarterback at Dayton, he was a boyhood fan of the Browns and has a good knowledge of their history. Out of coaching four years, he is 49 and said to be ready to jump back in.
4. Chip Kelly: The more I read and learn about the Oregon coach, the more intriguing he sounds. Noted for his up-tempo spread option offense, his innovations actually support his passion for the running game. His proponents swear he would adapt his system to his talent and geography. He is 49 and has no NFL experience. But, over the years, [NFL coaches] have flocked to see him – Gruden, Bill Belichick, Pete Carroll, to name a few – and he has acquired an understanding of the league through them and other contacts. He would need a good personnel executive to navigate NFL waters. He is tough on quarterbacks, mentally and physically.
The next wave
5. Bruce Arians: Opportunity called in his 20<sup>th</sup> NFL season at the age of 60, and he answered. Boy, did he answer. Put out to pasture by the Steelers for being too close to QB Ben Roethlisberger, he was hired by the Colts to shepherd in the Andrew Luck era as coordinator. With the team at 1-3, head coach Chuck Pagano was stricken with leukemia. Arians was appointed as interim coach and guided the Colts to a 9-3 finish and an AFC wild-card berth. He has a track record developing Peyton Manning, Tim Couch and Roethlisberger through each’s formative NFL years. He was Butch Davis’ coordinator in 2002, the only year the Browns have made the playoffs in the expansion era.
6. Bill O’Brien: After five years as an offensive assistant under Belichick with New England, he took on the daunting task of rescuing Penn State from the Jerry Sandusky scandal. An 8-4 first season as head coach made him an instant hot prospect at age 43. Still, no Belichick assistant has succeeded as an NFL head coach. And how many offensive coaches has Tom Brady turned into geniuses?
7. Greg Roman: The former John Carroll University defensive lineman has paid his dues. In 15 NFL seasons, he has gone from quality control/defense to offensive coordinator of a Super Bowl contender. But only after joining Jim Harbaugh at Stanford in 2009 has his career elevated the level of NFL head coach candidate. Roman, 40, has developed an innovative yet physical running game in San Francisco. He has been Harbaugh’s offensive play-caller with a team that has gone 23-8-1 the past two years.
No chance
8. Ray Horton: The 52-year-old former NFL defensive back has proven himself in two seasons as Arizona Cardinals defensive coordinator. But the reason teams, including the Browns, are racing to interview him is to abide by the Rooney Rule. Tell me which NFL owner is willing to hire a coordinator of a 5-11 team. Still, the exposure to the interview process will serve him well and that is why the Rooney Rule works.
9. Doug Marrone: After eight years as an offensive assistant with three NFL teams, he returned to his alma mater to become Syracuse’s head coach. In four years, his record is 25-25. Bottom line: Must have a great agent to be getting NFL head coach interviews.
10. Dirk Koetter: Really? As offensive coordinator of the Jacksonville Jaguars in 2011, it was his brainstorm not to give the ball to Maurice Jones-Drew near the goal line with a game against the Browns on the line. That accounted for one of the Browns’ four wins that season. He moved on to the Atlanta Falcons and has received kudos for somehow teaching Matt Ryan, Julio Jones, Roddy White and Tony Gonzalez how to score points. C’mon, man. Try selling this coach to the Browns’ faithful.
The following coaches, who may or may not have not been linked to the Browns, are not candidates: Tony Dungy, Andy Reid, Ken Whisenhunt, Lovie Smith, Mike McCoy, Jay Gruden, Mike Zimmer, Josh McDaniels andMike Holmgren. (OK, the last one was a joke.)
I really done want Kelly . he hasnt coached a down of Sunday football . i really don't care how good his college program is it's a huge jump to playing with the big boys on Sunday .
same with Saban he has coached in the NFL & failed . just say NO !
Russ Grimm ? i would be onboard with that but his boss got fired from the Cardinals . i would take a run at Ken Weisenhunt . it wasn't his fault the front office couldn't find offensive linemen or a QB .
my new first choice is Weisenhunt ..
From Nate Ulrich, Ohio.com (Akron Beacon Journal)...
I really done want Kelly . he hasnt coached a down of Sunday football . i really don't care how good his college program is it's a huge jump to playing with the big boys on Sunday .
same with Saban he has coached in the NFL & failed . just say NO !
Russ Grimm ? i would be onboard with that but his boss got fired from the Cardinals . i would take a run at Ken Weisenhunt . it wasn't his fault the front office couldn't find offensive linemen or a QB .my new first choice is Weisenhunt ..
From Nate Ulrich, Ohio.com (Akron Beacon Journal)...
NO! that was from bluez, not Nate.. This is from Nate! And what I like about it is that he says you have to fit your system to your personel. Sound like he wants a new job to me...
University of Oregon coach Chip Kelly is believed to be [the Browns’ top choice] in their quest to secure a new head coach.
Kelly’s team will play Kansas State on Thursday night in the Fiesta Bowl in Glendale, Ariz. The Browns, Philadelphia Eagles and Buffalo Bills are expected to try to meet with him following the game, Jason La Canfora of CBS reported.
Kelly was asked today during a Fiesta Bowl news conference if he expects to field offers from NFL teams in the next week.
“I don't expect anything,” Kelly said. “I said this a million times: I'm never surprised by anything. I do not know what the future holds. I do know we have a football game tomorrow night, and I'm going to be there.”
Oregon is known for using a high-powered, zone-read spread offense. Would Kelly's offensive approach work in the NFL?
“I don't think anybody knows any answers until someone does it,” Kelly said. “The Washington Redskins are doing a pretty good job. … The kid at Carolina has done a pretty good job. But it depends. I don't know. I've never coached in that league. I visited practices and talked to people about it. The one thing about that, about everything, you have to have good players. Sometimes the coaching aspect is way overrated. We don't play the game. I think college football is a personnel driven game. So is the NFL. Your job as a coach very simply is to put your players in positions to make plays, get out of the way and go make them.”
Kelly emphasized that making sure an offense meshes well with the players on the roster is vital to success.
“Anything you do has to be personnel driven,” Kelly said. “You have to adapt to the personnel you have. There's a lot of great offenses out there, but does it fit with the personnel you have? The key is making sure what you're doing is giving your people a chance to be successful.”
