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January 1, 2013 12:06 am

The one that is the controvesial is the Spurs 10 years that ended in 2008 because of their lack of back to back championships which all the other NBA dynasties have.
I might argue the Pistons as being a dynasty.  Only 2 rings?  I think at a minimum you have to have 3 rings in 5 years, but that's just me.  
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January 1, 2013 12:13 am

Depends on one's definition of dynasty, I suppose. I don't think that 2 or 3 championships out of 3 or 4 in a 5 year period, constitutes a dynasty. To me, a dynasty is more like what the Lakers, Celtics and Bulls have done. Has to be over the course of a decade or so. Like the Lakers 9 finals appearances and 5 titles in the 80's or the Bulls 6 titles in the 90's.

Heck, I think the Spurs put together something like 4 titles in about a 10 year period, so that is more of a dynasty than what we are likely to see from the Heat.

What about 7 final apperances going 23-15 and winning 5 titles from 2000 to 2010?

I'd say that's a dynasty..

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January 1, 2013 9:42 am

Well, well, well...if it isn't twiddle-dee and twiddle-dum, the two biggest Heat nut hugging losers on CBS.  I hope you two morons are still around when the Heat ship eventually goes down in flames!  HNY,



punchline at least gets respect for sticking with his team because you knew HE was a Heat fan BEFORE all the garbage hype. Turnip and crappedmyshorts? KNOWN badwagoners. if the Heat don't come up with a title this season expect to see TurnipTheThunder and thundermyshorts handles for these clowns next season...    















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January 1, 2013 10:49 am

just for the sake have argument/discussion... if the Heat win the Championship this season, then when it 2 years from now, would that be considered a Dynasty?  4 Championships in a 10 year period.

Good question. I'd say that it would definitely be worth discussing. The case against them would be different core groups and a different coach with the only common denominator being D-Wade. The Lakers, Celtics, Bulls and Spurs had the same basic core group and the same coach.

To be fair, I'm not sure that I consider the 2000-2010 Lakers a dynasty either. I think a better case could be made for them because you still had Kobe, D-Fish and Phil, but I'm not sure I would include them because of too many different players between the first 3 and the last 2.
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January 1, 2013 10:59 am

I don't think the 06 team will be considered a part of the dynasty. If the Heat happens to win 3 titles with this bunch in a 4-5 yr span, without a doubt they'll be considered a dynasty

I seriously doubt it. 5 years is not a dynasty, needs to be 10. Any team that is willing to spend some money can put together a championship caliber team for a 4 or 5 year period. To be a dynasty, in my opinion, you have to keep the core group together with the same coach for 10 years. So, by 2021 or so, if the Heat still have Lebron, D-Wade, Bosh and Spoelstra and they have 4 or 5 rings, then they would be considered a dynasty!!

In my opinion, the team that is right now, the biggest threat to become a dynasty is OKC!! They have a very young core that for the most part seems happy and like they want to stick together. Of course, they need to start winning championships first!
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January 1, 2013 11:33 am

"To be fair, I'm not sure that I consider the 2000-2010 Lakers a dynasty either."


i do. imo it doesn't matter who the players were on the roster, the organization scored 5 titles in a decade. the rest i think is simply splitting hairs...



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January 1, 2013 11:50 am

Chiefs, if the Heat win 2 more titles in the next 3 years, and have 4 rings in a 10 year span, is that a dynasty?  I'm just curious where people draw the line of being a dyansty.
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January 1, 2013 11:59 am

Chiefs, if the Heat win 2 more titles in the next 3 years, and have 4 rings in a 10 year span, is that a dynasty?  I'm just curious where people draw the line of being a dyansty.


just my opinion, obviously. but it'd DEFINITELY put them in the debate solidly for saying they are...


















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January 1, 2013 1:57 pm

...and your point in reiterating that here is what exactly, punchline?
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January 1, 2013 2:03 pm

Don't worry Jefe. I know who brought the attention to all the Lakers/Heat threads on the main board.

Just be careful watch you say. Admins are playing extremely close attention to every Heat/lakers thread and are warning everybody over nonsense that wasn't a issue last yr or the year before.
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January 1, 2013 3:55 pm

I might argue the Pistons as being a dynasty.  Only 2 rings?  I think at a minimum you have to have 3 rings in 5 years, but that's just me.  
I can see your point here, but that team was really dominant, but they were squeezed between two eras in the East, the Bird Celtics and the Jordan Bulls.  They eventually got passed the Celtics.  That was really the Chuck Daly period from beginning to end, with Thomas, Lambier, Dumars and Rodman.   Thomas started at the early part of the 80s when the Celtics were dominant.  Jordan came in the mid-eighties, but it wasn't until Phil Jackson took over that they were able to knock off the Pistons.

You also have to consider that it became harder to get to the Conference Finals in 84.  Before that, the top seed team Conference got a buy the first round of playoffs and only played two rounds to get to the Finals.  And many of the earlier teams from the 50s and 60s played two rounds best of 3 and 5.  Since the mid-80s, getting to the Conference Finals was a huge.  With every round being a best of 7 now, it's even harder.

The advantage the Heat have this year is that last year was a strike shorten season.  So, there is less wear and tear on the team.  A few seasons ago, Phil Jackson was asked about the Lakers chances of going to the Finals 4 straight years after beating the in their the 3rd consecutive Final appearence.  It's something he never did witht the Bulls or the Lakers previously.  He said it would be difficult because of the amount of games and the travel.  He said the Bulls had an easier time.  All the playoff rounds weren't best of seven and Chicago is in the middle of the country, so there is less travel time.  And minus the Clippers, many of the Western teams which play each other more frequently, or spread out further than the Eastern teams.  Miami has less travel than the Lakers, but being in the corner of the country, their travel time is more than any team in the East, but the strike from last season helps them.


 
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January 1, 2013 4:03 pm

Good points.  I do, however, think that a best of 7 series always favors the higher seeded teams.  Usually the more games in a series allows for the better team to rise to the top.  For example, if the better team just had an off-night in a playoff best of 5 series, that one game is more havily weighed than if it were to come within a 7 game series.  

 
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January 1, 2013 4:11 pm

I do, however, think that a best of 7 series always favors the higher seeded BETTER teams.  Usually the more games in a series allows for the better team to rise to the top.
There, fixed it for you realdeal.  Contrary to popular belief, the higher seeded teams entering the postseason aren't always necessarily better teams.  The championship Dallas Mavericks team of 2011 is a great example of that.  It's all about health, synergy and momentum in the springtime as the postseason gets underway.  In the playoffs, postseason experience matters a lot.  All it takes is an early road victory in a 7 game series to render seedings and HCA going in a completely moot point.
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January 1, 2013 4:28 pm

To be fair, I'm not sure that I consider the 2000-2010 Lakers a dynasty either. I think a better case could be made for them because you still had Kobe, D-Fish and Phil, but I'm not sure I would include them because of too many different players between the first 3 and the last 2.
If this is the case, then you are also arguing against the Celtics of the 80s if you are also using your 10 year rule.  You would have to start the Celtic Dynasty in 74, because the Bird Celtics were really done in 88 with their last trip to the Eastern Finals which started in 80.  But they won Finals 74 and in 76.  Havlicek was part of the Celtic team that won in 69 with Russell and the 74 team and with Russell, a key player on that 69 team.  Are the 70's Celtics a part of the Russell Celtic dynasty that extend back to the 50s?

Ten years is a very long time in sports years.  And or dynasties the work of a franchise put together by the works of management or just team memebers?   If the Lakers win a championship in these next two seasons with Kobe Howard then then win again with Howard and whoever, would this be a continuation of that 08 Finals dynasty or would it be the Laker franchise continuing a dynasty that started in 2000?
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January 1, 2013 4:35 pm

That is how you honor a bet!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Happy New Year you crazy people.  

A few points.

1. Half of you said you would be gone for most of summer yet this thread was dumb as ever.
2. People said this thread would die after the championship, yet here we are again.
3. Cavs still suck.  
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