The Pac-12 Thread....

wazzy, we knew it was overton fairly quickly and it was obvious by the time he was suspended for that game. The point was he hadn't been convicted of anything and was saying he didn't do what he was accused of. He is a total piece of garbage and has since been arrested at least twice that I'm aware of, but at the time he was just accused. In the case of ASJ we know what he did and he isn't denying it. 

Totally get that and as you said everyone in the entire region knew it was Overton as the next day it broke they were in Pullman and the crowd was chanting she said no. Since everyone in the world knew, you can't let Romar off of the hook for not suspending him especially that joke of a suspension he gave him.

Obviously I'm not a Husky but I do like ASJ and hope UW stands behind him just as they did for the rapist Jeremy Stevens. It's not necessarily a no harm no foul case but I honestly feel it would be fine if he suited up for game 1 if he did nothing like that again leading up to the opener.

I've tried to say it a few ways, but the Overton deal had nothing to do what what Romar knew, but what was proven at the time he had to make decisions. He denied the claims and until a court of law finds him guilty there is only so much that can/should be done. Overton is dirt and deserved worse than he got, but I'm not bothered by a coach waiting for due process. Now you jump from Overton to Stevens and again they are not related in any way. First of all once again Stevens was not charged with, nor found guilty of anything at the time coaches had to make decisions about his status on the team. If you expect every coach to toss off players every time they are accused of something without them having any chance to defend themselves then you are just flat out wrong. He was never charged with a crime in that case. That doesn't mean I think he was innocent, but you must go by what the legal status of a case is. Second of all, that was on RN watch and everyone knows what Seatle fans thought of him anyway. 

This case with ASJ is with a new coach and a new AD and there is no prior precedent for a case like this in anything recent with any of their teams. I doubt we will hear anything from UW until fall camp or after his case is settled in court, whichever comes first. 

Guess it was a bad jump from Overton to Stevens even though it was basically the same thing that happened which is where I connected the dots so yes that was irrelevent.

The only thing I will disagree again is that Romar did suspend Overton but for the Pac-12 tournament only, it should've been for the season. After what Mike Leach did, I believe he deserved to be suspended for the year as well.

KATU Oregon will show their update on the Oregon NCAA investigation tonight at 11 pacific and have updates in their web site to follow. 

Here are the tweets on the teasers.

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NCAA accusing ducks fb of 7 major violations, BUT this is big: Not accused of Lack of Institutional Control. My report on K2 at 11

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[Tiffani Lupenski ‏<s>@</s>Tiffani317]<small class="time">[38m]</small>

KATU Investigators going through exclusive U of O docs on NCAA violations. Smoking gun? You decide [<s>#</s>liveonk2] @ 11p

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[Dan Tilkin ‏<s>@</s>DanTilkinKATU]<small class="time">[1h]</small>

NCAA Documents about Ducks Football: "...recruiting advantage that was gained was more than minimal." [<s>#</s>liveonk2]

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[Dan Tilkin ‏<s>@</s>DanTilkinKATU]<small class="time">[2h]</small>

NCAA docs Ducks Fball investigation talks about coaches who decide to ‘play with fire’...should not be allowed to claim ignorance.

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[Dan Tilkin @DanTilkinKATU]

We have obtained new documents about the NCAA investigation into Ducks Football. Initial read: NCAA appears pushing for Major Violations

Is this a TV station trying to drive ratings? Or do they have any real updates? They have an extensive investigation into this with lots of info on their site. They suggest serious violations, but no LOIC which is normally what carries the huge sanctions. 

 

 

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Looks like more of a summary than a detailed break down, but according to them it is based on new documents they have received from FOIA requests. 

Finding 1 – Will Lyles had impermissible contact with prospective student athletes

The university and the NCAA agree that Lyles was working as an agent of the school in 2008-2010 when he had a series of “impermissible telephone and off-campus contacts” with prospective student athletes. The report lists contact with several students who ultimately did not play for the Ducks, but also has several redacted names, which are likely people who went on to become UO students. 

Finding 2 – The school paid for recruiting services that violated NCAA rules

The NCAA and school agree that from 2008-2011 the Ducks paid at least around $35,000 for three improper recruiting services, including $25,000 to Lyles’s company Complete Scouting Services. 

Finding 3 – Heavily redacted

This section of the report is heavily redacted, likely because it names players and coaches who were at one point part of the football program. 

In one of the only non-redacted parts of this section, the UO and NCAA agree a violation happened and that it is a “major violation.”

Finding 4 – The school made 730 impermissible phone calls

The NCAA and UO agreed in the report that somebody made 730 impermissible phone calls between 2007 and early 2011. The names of whoever made those calls are blacked out in the version of the report we received.

Finding 5 – Too many coaches were involved in recruiting

The school and NCAA agree that between 2009 and 2011 the Ducks had one too many coaches working on recruiting activities, according to the report. 

The name of the extra coach has been redacted.

Finding 6 – Did the school promote an atmosphere of compliance? 

This section is difficult to decipher because of redactions, but centers on an NCAA bylaw that says the head coach much promote an “atmosphere of compliance.”

Finding 7 – The school failed to properly monitor recruiting practices

According to the report, the university and NCAA both agreed that the UO failed to properly monitor the use of recruiting and scouting services, giving out school apparel and telephone calls between high school athletes and coaches. 

The NCAA report outlines how UO staff would put information gathered from the scouting service into a database. They would then discard the original.

More on their site. I only put the main points up. 

The report also outlines two crucial points for the Ducks. First, NCAA enforcement staff said they had “no finding of lack of institutional control and no finding of unethical conduct.” That could prove critical when it comes time to dish out punishment. 

Second, the report says the school could face penalties under the “repeat violator” clause of the NCAA rules. The UO last had a major infraction in 2004; since some of the alleged violations happened within five years of that date, the NCAA could impose stiffer penalties. 

The report also shows the NCAA and Oregon agree this is a “major infractions case.” 

“Due to the nature, scope and duration of the time over which the violations occurred, the violations were not isolated in nature,” the report says. “Further, while the violations were not intentional in nature, many are significant and should not be considered inadvertent.”

So, no LOIC, but a repeat offender case. Major violations, but doesn't appear to be seen as intentional. And yet also not considered inadvertent. Sounds confusing? Welcome to the NCAA. 

Tells me they will face sanctions, but just as we thought, probably not severe in scope. Only big question will be if they will face any bowl bans or not. Even a one year bowl ban would devistate that program. Hard to tell what the NCAA will do. They might dodge that bullet. 


 

Even a one year bowl ban would devistate that program

Wrong.

Even a one year bowl ban would devistate that program

Just make them give DeAnthony Thomas back to USC!!