Negative Effects of Atheism

Atheists are still religious.  So for any Christian to say Atheism is negative is to go against the word of their own God.

Stop judging others least ye be judged.  And you don't want that eventhough you have the word Christian attached to your moniker.

Only god can judge me



2pac




what a dumb ass

2pac




what a dumb ass

Actually 2Pac was quite a well read, highly intelligent person.  He had is his flaws for sure, as we all do. 

One thing that a belief in god can do - it can justify all kinds of brutal inhumanity in the name of holiness and leave you feeling pretty good about it. The atheist does not have that option.

One thing that a belief in god can do - it can justify all kinds of brutal inhumanity in the name of holiness and leave you feeling pretty good about it. The atheist does not have that option.

Good point.  Thus the religion isn't the problem.  It's the people behind it that's the problem. 

The people created religion (in part) as a means of justification for their bigotry.  (among other things)

Take away the justification and it takes away the platform on which the bigtry proliferates.

Good point.  Thus the religion isn't the problem.  It's the people behind it that's the problem. 

The problem with this line of thought is "the people" in the case of religious people were molded into who they are by early religious brainwashing.

When you brainwash a very young child, that kind of thing is difficult for most people to shake...as evidenced by the fact that 25% of otherwise sane, normal adults believe God manipulates human sporting events.  So if you drill religious xenophobia into a kid starting at age 2 and don't stop until they are out of the house, you've used religion to create a certain kind of person who is xenophobic.  Now when you say "it's the people, not the religion" you're skipping what caused "the people" to begin with.

So when you look at, say, a gang of nasty bigots like the WBC, you can't just say "oh yeah it's the PEOPLE not the religion" because it was the religion initially that made the people the way they are.

Think about it in terms of child abuse and how child abuse is frequently linked to serial killers.  When you catch a serial killer that was abused as a child, you're not going to say "well, it wasn't the child abuse, it's just how the people that were abused."  No, you're going to study how the abuse was part of making that person into a serial killer.  The cause and effect.

Same way you have to consider how religion is part of making people into bigots/xenophobes/other brutal acts of inhumanity as mentioned in the previous post.

And no, not every abuse victim becomes a serial killer, and not every religious person becomes a bigot.  But to ignore the cause and effect in either case is denial of reality.

MasterAgain wrote:

Good point.  Thus the religion isn't the problem.  It's the people behind it that's the problem.

Perhaps.  In that case, you be better served saying, "Religion isn't he only problem."

Religion fails because it no longer serves any good purpose.  It would be as though a civilization discovers a device that has no other function except to control, corrupt, torture, exclude and murder people, creating mass misery.  Would it be better for civilization to ignore, outlaw and destroy the device, or to use it ?  

So when you look at, say, a gang of nasty bigots like the WBC, you can't just say "oh yeah it's the PEOPLE not the religion" because it was the religion initially that made the people the way they are.

This is backwards....it is the people who made the religion the way it is.  If it were religion itself that was at fault, then everyone who is religious would be hateful nutjobs like the WBC crowd.

To look at it conversely, would the WBC clan be peaceful, understanding, and accepting neighbors if it weren't for religion?  Highly unlikely...they would just find some other excuse/justification for their hatred.

The negative effects of atheism are the exact same and the negative effects of arumpelstiltskinism. 

Same way you have to consider how religion is part of making people into bigots/xenophobes/other brutal acts of inhumanity as mentioned in the previous post.

And no, not every abuse victim becomes a serial killer, and not every religious person becomes a bigot.  But to ignore the cause and effect in either case is denial of reality.

Religion isn't the cause.  Religion doesn't teach bigotry.  In fact, many religions teach E.L.E.  Everybody Love Everybody.  It's when biggoted humans interpret religion to try and justify their own hatred that the problems come in.

I'm get tired of everyone trying to blame something else for their own problems.  "I'm a biggot because religion made me this way."  It's bullshit****.  Take responsibility for yourself.

The negative effects of atheism are the exact same and the negative effects of arumpelstiltskinism. 

Don't even know what that is.  But I believe you are correct. 

Perhaps.  In that case, you be better served saying, "Religion isn't he only problem."

Another way to look at is that religion, culture, up-bringing, society aren't problems at all.  It's the people that are the problems.  Don't make excuses for the biggot by saying his culture made him that way, or his religion made him that way, like he had no choice.

Everyone has a choice.  You are who you are by your own doing.  Take responsibility for yourself.

MasterAgain wrote:

Religion isn't the cause.  Religion doesn't teach bigotry.  In fact, many religions teach E.L.E.  Everybody Love Everybody.  It's when biggoted humans interpret religion to try and justify their own hatred that the problems come in.

Which religions might those be ?  Every major religion- Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism all preach that it is the only true religion, and everyone else is wrong, a sinful being of evil who should be pitied, forcibly converted and/or killed.

I'm get tired of everyone trying to blame something else for their own problems.  "I'm a biggot because religion made me this way."  It's bull****.  Take responsibility for yourself.

I agree.

Another way to look at is that religion, culture, up-bringing, society aren't problems at all.  It's the people that are the problems.  Don't make excuses for the biggot by saying his culture made him that way, or his religion made him that way, like he had no choice.

And yet the culture such people create and spread is one that includes religion that brings nothing good to the world

Everyone has a choice.  You are who you are by your own doing.  Take responsibility for yourself.

I agree.  This is at odds with what many religions teach though, which is that God is omnipotent and ominscient.

Religion doesn't teach bigotry.

No? 

So which book is it that says gay people are abominations that we should murder, and blacks are slaves that should be beaten?

Was that Yahweh's autobiography, or Dr. Seuss?

Everyone has a choice.  You are who you are by your own doing.  Take responsibility for yourself.

So parenting has no effect on a child?

 Every major religion- Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism all preach that it is the only true religion, and everyone else is wrong, a sinful being of evil who should be pitied, forcibly converted and/or killed.

Inaccurate.

 This is at odds with what many religions teach though, which is that God is omnipotent and ominscient.

Inaccurate.  For example: The base of Christianity is about God vs Satan.  The only reason God allows Satan to exists is because he doesn't want robots.  He wants choice.  You can't have love without choice.  You can't have hate without choice.  Choice is at the very core of religion and humanity.  For anyone to say that God tells them to kill someone is misinterpreting religion.  God's in every form of religion give us choices.  And those choices are then judged by the Gods.

So which book is it that says gay people are abominations that we should murder, and blacks are slaves that should be beaten?

Perfect example of human misinterpretation of religion. 

I'm get tired of everyone trying to blame something else for their own problems.  "I'm a biggot because religion made me this way."  It's bull****.  Take responsibility for yourself.

I did. That's why I don't subscribe to religion anymore.

So parenting has no effect on a child?

Sure it does.  But when that child becomes an adult, they are still free to make their own decisions.  Just because someone parents are preachers, doesn't mean the kids have to be preachers.  Just because someone has junkies for parents, doesn't mean the kids will be junkies.

Choice.

Some people get a rougher start to life than others.  Doesn't mean they still can't become whatever they want to in life. 

I'll say it again.  You are who you are by your own doing.