The People's Poll: Week 7

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The People's Poll: Week 7

December 31, 2012 2:07 am

Lots of big matchups over the last two weeks that affect the rankings; now the last few non-conference games and conference play starting for some this week.


1. Duke- Santa Clara played outstanding against them for 25:00 but you have to play a full to beat this team
2. Michigan
3. Louisville- Got out to a big lead against rival UK and hung on for the win. Great game, just imagine if they played twice a year
4. Arizona- Huge win over San Diego State in Hawaii; may not lose in the regular season
5. Kansas- Impressive win on the road at Ohio State, may be the most important win in terms of seeding in March that any team has had this year
6. Indiana- Worried me that they struggled in the first half against Jacksonville, but erased more of these by blowing them out in the 2nd half
7. Syracuse- Tough loss to Temple in Madison Square Garden where the 'Cuse is usually tough
8. Minnesota- Why is nobody talking about this team?
9. Illinois- I really don't like having them this high after losing to Missouri and nearly losing to Auburn, but I can't rank them below Gonzaga and I think Gonzaga is a Top 10 team
10. Gonzaga- Kevin Pangos dropped a career-high on a good Baylor team. This team has the makings of a Final Four contender.
11. Ohio State- Two tough losses to two top teams. The Big Ten is extrememly tough this year, going to have to play better against top competition
12. Florida- I take the loss to Kansas St. as an abiration; played very well in the 2nd half against Air Force
13. Georgetown
14. Butler- I heard someone refer to Brad Stevens as the best coach in the country, I'd have to agree. Stevens gets the most out of his players
15. Missouri- Pressey was impressive but down the stretch against UCLA I thought he tried to do too much
16. New Mexico- If Kansas had the best resume building win for March, New Mexico had the 2nd biggest. Winning at Cincinnati is really going to pay dividends in seeding.
17. Cincinnati- I was impressed with the physicality of the Bearcats in the New Mexico game, diving for lose balls and really playing the Lobos physically.
18. Creighton- The Bluejays look to secure another MVC title as conference play is already underway
19. Oklahoma State- We'll see if this is for real against Gonzaga
20. San Diego State- Came up "that close" against Arizona; will be a great MWC race
21. North Carolina State
22. Notre Dame
23. Temple- The Owls are a contender in a very talented Atlantic 10
24. UNLV- Mike Moser was not 100% against UNC, a fully healthy UNLV team will be a force to be reckoned with
25. Pittsburgh- Big East play will determine whether the Panthers cupcake schedule was a good idea or a bad one

Next 5:
26. Wyoming- One of only 4 undefeated teams but wouldn't be surprised if they lose @SMU on Wednesday
27. Connecticut- Good for Kevin Ollie, I really like the way that he gets the most out of his team
28. Michigan State- I'm not sold on them, we'll find out if they're any good when they play @Minnesota
29. North Carolina- A great job against UNLV, but I'd like to see a little more consistency from this team
30. UCLA- Really impressed with the way they battled back against Missouri, Shabazz Muhammed is a fantastic player    
              
Lobofan2003
SinceMar 4, 2008
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The People's Poll: Week 7

December 31, 2012 2:38 am

1. Duke<br />2. Michigan<br />3. Arizona <br />4. Kansas<br />5. Louisville<br />6. Indiana<br />7. Ohio St.<br />8. Syracuse<br />9. Illinois<br />10. Georgetown<br />11. Missouri<br />12. Gonzaga<br />13. Creighton<br />14. Minnesota<br />15. Cincinnati<br />16. Florida<br />17. Butler<br />18. San Diego St<br />19. N Carolina St.<br />20. N Mexico<br />21. Oklahoma St.<br />22. Notre Dame<br />23. Michigan St.<br />24. Pittsburgh<br />25. Kansas St.

NYGSJUNNYNNRND
SinceNov 10, 2012
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The People's Poll: Week 7

December 31, 2012 4:12 am

1. Duke (LW 1)
2. Michigan (2)
3. Arizona (5) - Impressive win against SDSU. This team is for real.
4. Louisville (4)
5. Kansas (9) - This team is playing great right now.
6. Indiana (6) - Tough test at Iowa on NYE. I'm hoping for a statement game.
7. Syracuse (3)
8. Minnesota (13)
9. Illinois (10)
10. Gonzaga (14)
11. Cincinnatti (12)
12. Ohio State (7)
13. New Mexico (11)
14. Butler (17)
15. Georgetown (15)
16. Florida (8)
17. Missouri (16)
18. Creighton (20)
19. North Carolina State (24) - I still think this team is going to be really dangerous come March.
20. Notre Dame (20)
21. Pittsburgh (NR)
22. VCU (NR)
23. Oklahoma State (22)
24. Michigan State (23)
25. San Diego State (18)

Dropped out:
UNLV (20) Wyoming (25)
HooHooHoo09
SinceFeb 13, 2012
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The People's Poll: Week 7

December 31, 2012 4:52 am


1 Duke
2 Michigan
3 Arizona
4 Louisville
5 Indiana
6 Kansas
7 Syracuse
8 Ohio St.
9 Minnesota
10 Illinois
11 Gonzaga
12 Florida
13 Missouri
14 Georgetown
15 Creighton
16 Butler
17 Michigan St
18 Notre Dame
19 Oklahoma St
20 New Mexico
21 North Carolina St.
22 Pittsburgh
23 San Diego St
24 Kansas St
25 Temple




MU FOREVER
SinceJan 25, 2010
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The People's Poll: Week 7

December 31, 2012 8:26 am

Resubmitting my rankings as I had neglected to adjust them for the New Mexico/Cincy g;ame:

1 Duke
2 Indiana
3 Ohio State
4 Kansas
5 Arizona
6 Syracuse
7 Louisville
8 Michigan
9 Missouri
10 Florida
11 Gonzaga
12 Cincinnati
13 Notre Dame
14 Illinois
15 NC State
16 VCU
17 San Diego St.
18 Creighton
19 Kentucky
20 UNLV
21 Minnesota
22 New Mexico
23 Georgetown
24 Kansas State
25 Butler
nascarfan999
SinceDec 17, 2006
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The People's Poll: Week 7

December 31, 2012 9:07 am

1. Duke
2. Michigan
3. Arizona
4. Louisville
5. Kansas
6. Indiana
7. Syracuse
8. Minnesota
9. Illinois
10. Florida
11. Gonzaga
12. Ohio State
13. Cincinnati
14. Missouri
15. Creighton
16. New Mexico
17. Butler
18. NC State
19. Georgetown
20. Wichita State
21. Oklahoma State
22. Connecticut
23. Michigan State
24. San Diego State
25. Wyoming

Just missed : Maryland, UNLV, Pittsburgh, Kansas State, Notre Dame
Next Five : Kentucky, VCU, Oklahoma, Temple, East Carolina Laughing

Pir8tenation
SinceMar 9, 2007
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The People's Poll: Week 7

December 31, 2012 9:33 am

1. Duke
2. Arizona
3. Michigan
4. Louisville
5. Indiana
6. Kansas
7. Syracuse
8. Minnesota
9. Gonzaga
10. Georgetown
11. Oklahoma St.
12. Illinois
13. New Mexico
14. Ohio State
15. Cincinnati
16. Missouri
17. Florida
18. Butler
19. Pittsburgh
20. North Carolina St.
21. Michigan St.
22. Kansas St.
23. San Diego St.
24. Creigton
25. UConn
concrete man
SinceDec 17, 2008
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The People's Poll: Week 7

December 31, 2012 9:39 am

The Poll Attacks is going to have a field day with hookem ballot.
atleast he included Uconn even if its a little high. Everyone who has replyed so far has either nm/ncst or both on their ballots. Some even have michigan state ranked yet not uconn even in next 10.
Cool
Yeah, hookem...you'll have to share your method.  I've been trying to figure out how to rank the Lobos higher, but just couldn't figure it out.  Do tell...
I really do not want to know... Indiana ... 11th... ouch.
I have a new project for you People Pollers... I would like to create a new addition to the poll. I would like to do a type of rating system to go along with the poll every couple of weeks or so. So if you all are interested in something like that, I think we should put our heads together and come up with it. You've got RPI, BPI, Saragin, KenPom, Statsheet, Hookem Laughing. I think we could create our own unique rating system that I could enter into a excel spreadsheet every once and a while to go along with the poll. Slap me back into reality if I'm crazy. Sealed
Not telling! It does use RPI for SOS purposes though. All I'm saying!
hookem0608
SinceNov 23, 2008
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The People's Poll: Week 7

December 31, 2012 11:10 am

1 Duke
2 Michigan
3 Louisville
4 Arizona
5 Indiana
6 Kansas
7 Syracuse
8 Ohio St.
9 Florida
10 Illinois
11 Gonzaga
12 Missouri
13 Cincinnati
14 Georgetown
15 Minnesota
16 Michigan St.
16 Notre Dame
18 Butler
19 Creighton
20 Oklahoma St.
21 New Mexico
22 North Carolina St.
23 Pittsburgh
24 San Diego St.
25 Temple

Just missed : Maryland, UNLV,  Kansas State, Connecticut
Next Five : Kentucky, VCU, Oklahoma, Wichita St.

CardSmack29
SinceSep 28, 2012
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The People's Poll: Week 7

December 31, 2012 1:33 pm

1. Duke
2. Michigan
3. Arizona
4. Indiana
5. Kansas
6. Louisville
7. Syracuse
8. Georgetown
9. Creighton
10. Minnesota
11. New Mexico
12. Cincinnati
13. Ilinois
14. Ohio State
15. Gonzaga
16. Florida
17. Notre Dame
18. Pittsburgh
19. Wyoming
20. Oklahoma State
21. Butler
22. San Diego State
23. Michigan State
24. Missouri
25. Wichita State

Next bunch
Kansas State
Temple
Colorado
NC State
Connecticut
UNLV
LAOJoe
SinceFeb 5, 2007
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The People's Poll: Week 7

December 31, 2012 1:40 pm

Crazy thing is that I had New Mexico out of my ballot in last week's unofficial one but this week I have them at 11. One game can do alot before conference play... one way or another.
LAOJoe
SinceFeb 5, 2007
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The People's Poll: Week 7

December 31, 2012 2:23 pm

Crazy thing is that I had New Mexico out of my ballot in last week's unofficial one but this week I have them at 11. One game can do alot before conference play... one way or another.
I think we can tell from people's ballots that New Mexico is one of the hardest teams to rank where they are at. The Lobos high rank is #2 (thanks Hook'EmWink) and some people don't have them ranked at all. I think both are extremes, but that loss to South Dakota St. was really a head stratcher. In the Lobos defense two of the starters where benched to start the game for violation of team rules. If they had started the game I think it likely would've been a different outcome. (Not making excuses, a loss is a loss and it woke us up for the Cincy game)


  
Lobofan2003
SinceMar 4, 2008
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The People's Poll: Week 7

December 31, 2012 3:37 pm

  1. Duke
  2. Michigan
  3. Louisville
  4. Arizona
  5. Kansas
  6. Indiana
  7. Syracuse
  8. Gonzaga
  9. Minnesota
  10. Ohio St
  11. Missouri
  12. illinois
  13. New Mexico
  14. Georgetown
  15. Florida
  16. Cincy
  17. Creighton
  18. Wyoming
  19. Michigan St
  20. Notre Dame
  21. Temple
  22. San Diego St
  23. Oklahoma St
  24. NC State
  25. UConn

Marinoisgod
SinceNov 6, 2006
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The People's Poll: Week 7

December 31, 2012 4:34 pm

Bunch of important games finished/started today.
LAOJoe
SinceFeb 5, 2007
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The People's Poll: Week 7

December 31, 2012 4:40 pm

Wyoming getting disrespected in the major polls. They aren't some weak team that is undefeated. They are playing some good ball and beating some good teams.
LAOJoe
SinceFeb 5, 2007
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The People's Poll: Week 7

December 31, 2012 5:36 pm

Two questions

1. Since when did beating Cincinnati become a GREAT win? This team plays no one in pre-season - builds up a 12-0 or 13 - 0 and then when they start playing better teams they go .500 the rest of the way and squeak into the tournament. Beating them in Cincy was good not great and certainly not as good as losing to SDKST was bad. I think New Mexico is a top 25 team right now but much more than that is a stretch.

2. Name me one good team Wyoming has beaten. If you say Colorado I will point you to their 36 POINT loss to Kansas.

The MWC is a strong conference but their top teams are still not in the Kansas, Duke, Indiana discussion yet and the UNLV loss to North Carolina puts an exclamation point on that comment.

I am a big fan of these MWC teams but let's not get ahed of ourselves quite yet 
Pels
SinceSep 27, 2006
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The People's Poll: Week 7

December 31, 2012 6:02 pm

I'm treating this week's poll as if there were no games during the day of the 31st.  Even so, it was pretty tough for me to figure out what to do after #6.  Happy New Year everyone!

1.   Duke
2.   Michigan
3.   Arizona
4.   Indiana
5.   Louisville
6.   Kansas
7.   Minnesota
8.   Syracuse
9.   Gonzaga
10. Florida
11. Ohio State
12. Creighton
13. Butler
14. Georgetown
15. Notre Dame
16. Missouri
17. Illinois
18. Pittsburgh
19. San Diego State
20. Oklahoma State
21. New Mexico
22. UCLA
23. Cincinnati
24. Wyoming
25. Kansas State

New (from 2 weeks ago)---Oklahoma State, UCLA, Kansas State
Drops (from 2 weeks ago)---North Carolina, Oregon, Nevada-Las Vegas
On the Radar---North Carolina State, Wichita State, Virginia Commonwealth, Connecticut, Brigham Young 
wachoosay
SinceSep 3, 2006
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The People's Poll: Week 7

December 31, 2012 6:18 pm

  1. Duke- Did fine with their back-to-back games. Had a little scare with Santa Clara, but Plumlee has kept up his POY play.

  2. Kansas- Is there a hotter name then McLemore right now? Young and Tharpe have cemented themselves as the fifth and sixth man. Once they got their turnovers under control they controlled the Buckeyes as they were much better halfcourt-wise on both ends. There was a worry about controlling Thomas, but Releford did well as he doesn’t give up that much size.
  3. Louisville- Blackshear had a good couple of game that ironically ended with Kentucky. Spread out a lot of minutes in the close win over Kentucky, but Behanan-Siva-Smith pulled the load. Dieng will help when he’s farther from injury, but a fifth is still needed. Hancock looks to slow to be that option. He chose the wrong school to transfer to. Smith had his first mediocre shooting performance against a team who can play.

  4. Indiana- Mosque-Perea and Elston returns have provided the frontcourt depth needed.
  5. Michigan- LeVert had a big week as Hardaway was injured. Have now beaten Eastern, Central, and Western Michigan.

  6. Ohio St- Aaron Craft has not gotten better since his freshman year. Remember, he was the OSU’s fifth recruit in 2010, he wasn’t even a top 100 guy. He has trouble creating (for himself and others) which is essential for a point guard. Ross and Thompson needed to more, especially since Kevin Young was their defender most of the time. The story at the five stays the same as Amir Williams looked better against Withey as he has size and “athleticism,” but Ravenel continues to outplay lesser opponents.
  7. Arizona- Won the Diamond Head Classic as they are now 2-0 in one-point games. Would’ve liked to have seen a matchup with a full strength Miami side. Parrom has turned into an elite shooter, something that shouldn’t be undervalued. Hill played as a go-to-guy in the win over SDSU as Ashley was the only freshman who did something.

  8. Syracuse- Barely got win 900 for Boeheim as they snuck away with four points over Detroit. How bad MCW was against Detroit, he was even worse in the loss against Temple as he couldn’t even hit his free throws. MCW continued his funk against Alcorn St totaling 22 assists against 14 turnovers for the two weeks. Additionally, he shot 5-26 from the field. Still, he tried to be an All-American like he was being hyped, but missed repeatedly down the stretch against Temple. Triche has to be the one with the ball in his hands there. Good to see Fair getting more shots, but it shouldn’t be at the expense of Southerland (Fair’s four games with the highest fga are Southerland’s four lowest fga games). Now for the weekly five spot update: Keita had the best game of his career in the loss to Temple as starters Christmas and Coleman combined for four points over 21 minutes, while none of them could guard opponent Anthony Lee. On a Temple aside: DeCosey looked good. If he can do that consistently, he’s the fifth starter of a top three A10 team.
  9. Florida- Have dropped to 3 on kenpom. 39 over SeLa and 17 over Air Force, but it was the loss to Kansas St that was the problem. Kansas St side- had finally established a rotation after Weber saw the error of his ways after the poor showing vs Gonzaga and Henriquez had his best game of the year including a 5-9 effort from the line (a stripe in which he has gone 2-21 from in all other games). Now for Florida, Rosario needs to be more consistent, Boynton needs to find his shot (under 30% on the year), and they gave to many minutes to their bench. Still think they are the team to beat in the SEC, but it’s close.

  10. Minnesota- Played only one game the past two weeks. Mbakwe finally got a start, but normal starter Eliason didn’t get a minute, so we will have to see who starts going forward. MSU tomorrow.
  11. Pittsburgh- 16-point win over Kennesaw was their second worst performance of the year, but it can mostly be attributed to three point shooting. Have become a very deliberate team offensively who won’t settle for a three and attacks the rim. Stats- they have gone under 60 possessions for 4 straight games as they are now 345<sup>th</sup> in tempo, have not had double digit 3pa in the past four games (for comparison, Henderson of Ole Miss has averaged twelve 3pa over the same time span), and have had 20 more offensive rebounds than the opponent team has had defensive rebounds in the past three games. Will Dixon’s team continue this in Big East play?

  12. Gonzaga- Baylor was the game of note. Got a win in which they could never pull away, but never looked in real danger. The Olynyk-Harris vs Austin-Jefferson froncourt battle was more of an offensive battle with both looking good. Looks like they will play the hot hand off the bench between Dower and Karnowski. Pangos had the game of the day going 7-10 from deep. Looking for a sweep of the Big XII’s second tier tomorrow.
  13. Creighton- Dingman looks like he has replaced Jones as he went 8-10 from deep in their two games. Wragge is still in a shooting funk though. Normally don’t like to see a starter go two straight games of 2 points, but Gibbs knows what he is doing. Got the two ISU’s this week.

  14. Notre Dame- Not much to say. Grant didn’t start one of the games, but that doesn’t seem like much. Cooley only got 3 off reb in the latter two games, but that is what happens when you’re team shoots >60%.
  15. San Diego St- One point was the difference against Arizona. Franklin looked frustrated. Was in foul trouble, took only 6 shots, and let Hill get the best of him. Freshman Shepard looked better than early in the year.

  16. Missouri- Through three games, Jabari Brown is averaging 15 and 5. Those three games are a doubling of SC St, a neutral win over Illinois (Mizzou was slight favorite), and an overtime loss to UCLA (Mizzou was slight dog). The most troubling part of that loss was the production by the Wear twins. There’s still a couple of things besides that, though. Oriakhi needs to give consistent production down low (especially as Criswell is injured). Most of all, Pressey has to be better. He went 11-41 from the field in the last two games, which might be fine for Russ Smith, but that is a problem for everyone else. Dixon’s departure leaves him as the only ball-handler (2 assists by the rest of Mizzou’s backcourt, while Pressey had 30 in the past two), but shouldn’t leave him as the guy to take the last shot. He needs to create and find an open wing like Chris Paul. He needs to find more faith in his teammates if they want to improve.
  17. VCU- Their defense wreaks havoc. Didn’t play the three best teams, but their opponent averaged 30 turnovers. That is a lot; Wisconsin is averaging 7 giveaways over that span. Weber and Theus are having a battle for defender of the year. Daniels shooting is of the utmost importance.

  18. Illinois- 25.5% from three in their two games. The first game was a loss to Mizzou. Somehow managed less defensive rebounds than Mizzou had offensive rebounds. The offense looked just as bad. You can live and die by the 3, but not with all your shots being pull-ups. There’s a reason why Griffey was the only one hitting his shots. He was the only one spotting up. Two point victory over Auburn is more of the same as they can’t put away lesser opponents. Abrams had a game that dreams are made of. Best stat, he had more defensive rebounds than the whole frontcourt.
  19. Oklahoma St- Not much trouble. Forte started to make his shots. Gardner had a really nice game against Tennessee Tech, not bad for their 8<sup>th</sup> guy. Gonzaga and Kansas St this week.

  20. Michigan St- Handled the Longhorns as only their five original starters scored. Payne’s minutes are dropping as he nears 7<sup>th</sup> man territory.
  21. Kentucky- Followed a clean win over Marshall with a close loss at Louisville. Wiltjer and Harrow have turned it around. Wiltjer is 13-21 from deep over the past three and Harrow has now scored double digits in the past three including 40 in the past two. Poythress is getting reduced minutes.

  22. NC State- 3-0 over the break. Had only 6 players get ten plus mpg against this group whose best was Stanford. Howell has fouled out in two straight which will mean certain death come ACC play. Leslie had a 33 point game.
  23. UNLV- UTEP, Northern Iowa, Canisius, and UNC aren’t exactly murderer’s row, but they all can play. Struggled in the two road games which (coincidentally?) were the two Birch struggled in his short Rebel career. UNC is the most interesting game as it is hard to fathom them losing to a team that was struggling so much without their best player (Bullock, McAdoo who?). UNC was the favorite, but it didn’t feel like that. Normal culprits, Jones and Reihardt did fine. Next culprit, clogged up frontcourt did not pass the test. I don’t know if it is the injury or Bennett, but Moser was worthless. Along with Sosa and Thomas who were passable in years past. Birch did nothing good. Then the one guy who put up stats in Bennett didn’t really look that good. Something has to change, especially when you consider this was a UNC team that gave 20 minutes to Desmond Hubert.

  24. Butler- Barlow had zero points and 5 fouls in his return from stardom. Stigall has missed six straight threes after his shot against the Hoosiers. Fromm is not the first big man off the bench. How much has changed since the IU win, but Clarke is still putting up big numbers.
  25. Cincinnati- Have had a terrible couple of weeks as they get ready to be steamrolled by Pitt tomorrow. Looked terrible in the first half against Xavier. Next, spotted Wright St six points at half. Capped it off with a home loss to New Mexico. Stats from Xavier + New Mexico: starting frontcourt (Jackson and Mbodj) totaled 7 points, whole frontcourt (starters and bench) totaled 20 points, leading scorer (Kilpatrick) put up 40 on Russ Smith-esque 15-49 shooting, and third best player (Parker) shot 7-24. Cashmere Wright has been a rock at the point, but they need to Kilpatrick to make shots if they want to win because Parker and the frontcourt of misfit toys will never produce consistently.

SporTEmINd
SinceJan 18, 2009
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The People's Poll: Week 7

December 31, 2012 6:31 pm

Pelks Colorado got boat raced by Kansas but KAnsas is a great team and that happens when you play one that is having a good day and you are not. Colorado is a fringe top 25 team. Wyoming beat them. If Wyoming wasn't so underrated then you would see Colorado on many more ballots in the Coaches, AP and here. That, beating Illinois State (and the comeback to blow them out when they were getting blown out) combined with their record and how they have been playing, not just who, has been great anbd worthy of a top 25 ranking.

As for knocking the MWC as a whole, they haven't even played conference play yet so you can't lump thgem together.
LAOJoe
SinceFeb 5, 2007
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The People's Poll: Week 7

December 31, 2012 6:33 pm

I meant Pels and after the first couple of sentences I was talking about Wyoming.
LAOJoe
SinceFeb 5, 2007