Lebron Clutch Stats this yr

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Lebron Clutch Stats this yr

January 1, 2013 4:32 pm

+55 in 66 min

29.5 PTS,11 REB, 10.4 AST, 1.6 TO, and 10.4 FTA per 36 minutes.

PER of 39.33



bksballer89
SinceMar 1, 2008
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Lebron Clutch Stats this yr

January 1, 2013 4:35 pm

Clutch is defined as last 5 min of 4th/OT and up or down 5 points.
bksballer89
SinceMar 1, 2008
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Lebron Clutch Stats this yr

January 1, 2013 4:38 pm

Is that 1st in the league?  If not, who else is near the top?  Where do the notables fall (Durant, Kobe, Melo)?
realdeal5
SinceNov 23, 2007
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Lebron Clutch Stats this yr

January 1, 2013 4:47 pm

I don't know about Kobe and Melo but according to the guy who posted it on twitter, LBJ PER of 39.33 is virtually tied with Durant
bksballer89
SinceMar 1, 2008
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Lebron Clutch Stats this yr

January 1, 2013 5:04 pm

Well he just answered me.

Since 2010, LBJ PER is 35.58, DURANT 32.13, Kobe 27.54, and Melo 24.12

And just remember this is without considering defense and we know that LBJ is the best defensive player since 2010 among the 4 players.

But nope LBJ is not clutch lol
bksballer89
SinceMar 1, 2008
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Lebron Clutch Stats this yr

January 1, 2013 5:43 pm

But nope LBJ is not clutch



I agree with this
dpwtv
SinceOct 28, 2006
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Lebron Clutch Stats this yr

January 1, 2013 6:19 pm

Bk glad to see you have finally admitted that LBJ is not clutch...feel better now...
wlkwlk3
SinceMar 23, 2007
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Lebron Clutch Stats this yr

January 1, 2013 6:22 pm

Lakers fans are in denial
bksballer89
SinceMar 1, 2008
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Lebron Clutch Stats this yr

January 1, 2013 6:28 pm

Bk he makes a pass at the end of games that's not clutch that's good...I don't pay Lebron max deal so he can pass the last shot to Mo Williams or now Allen/Battier/Miller/Wade etc...so you can take your "PER" and shove it in Bronnys knee shaking jock...I don't need your stats I see your boy in the game scared to get the ball when the end of the game is near and the other team is fouling...or how he doesn't lead his team in 4th quarter scoring...but that denial works well with you...
wlkwlk3
SinceMar 23, 2007
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Lebron Clutch Stats this yr

January 1, 2013 6:52 pm

Bk he makes a pass at the end of games that's not clutch that's good
It's smart. Would I rather LBJ shoot over 3 defenders or pass it to a wide open Ray Allen in the corner? He makes the smart basketball play. He makes winning basketball plays.

94-94 in game 4 of the NBA finals. Remind me what LBJ did. Did he pass then also?

You make it seem like LBJ pass all the time. I get it you hate LBJ so you can't be honest.

I don't need your stats I see your boy in the game scared to get the ball when the end of the game is near and the other team is fouling
Once again its called smart basketball. When you have 1 of the best ft shooters in NBA history on the court why would he go near the ball if he doesn't have to? There's only 2 people I want shooting fts late in the game and that is Chris Bosh and Ray Allen. You know why? Because they're the best ft shooters on the team.

Just for the record yesterday LBJ hit 2 key free throws in OT yesterday.

or how he doesn't lead his team in 4th quarter scoring...but that denial works well with you...
Last year I'm almost certain he led the legue in 4th quarter scoring after the 1st and 2nd round...Clearly he is scared to get the ball in the 4th which explains why he led the league in those stats in each of those rounds.

Just for the record Kobe was 8th in 4th quarter scoring in the first round and didn't even crack the top 10 in 4th quarter scoring in the 2nd round.
bksballer89
SinceMar 1, 2008
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Lebron Clutch Stats this yr

January 1, 2013 6:58 pm

bks- who says that is defined as clutch? ANd how does this change for example last year during reg season when Bosh, a teammate of LBJ, said Wade shouldbe the guy taking the last shot? Was his defiintion of cluth the same as yours or whoever you imply thta has defined a"clutch?" Many say - such as me- that in last possession shots heisn't as clutch. Four minutes left- okay - he hits shots.  Maybe this year hehas been greta in last possession- but other years? Got anything on that? It's okay if if I'm wrong. SHow me data of last possession with link.

Is really 5 minutes left"clutch?" I don't classify that as clutch. You have many more chances. IMO many of us say he feels the Heat in teh last minute or so.  
topten
SinceNov 5, 2011
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Lebron Clutch Stats this yr

January 1, 2013 7:19 pm


bks- who says that is defined as clutch? ANd how does this change for example last year during reg season when Bosh, a teammate of LBJ, said Wade shouldbe the guy taking the last shot? Was his defiintion of cluth the same as yours or whoever you imply thta has defined a"clutch?"
People have different defintions of clutch but that is the most common one that most people seem to use. Bosh can say all he want but fact is LBJ have better clutch numbers than Wade if you check out the numbers. I highly doubt his meaning of clutch was the same as my own. His meaning of clutch was probably just game winning shots but that's not the only way to be clutch. Hitting a 3 with your team up 2 with 45 seconds left is clutch. Hitting a 3 in a tied game with 250 left in a game is clutch. Buzzer beating shots is just 1 way a player can be clutch.

but other years? Got anything on that? It's okay if if I'm wrong. SHow me data of last possession with link.
I don't have anything on that but I'm almost certain you won't find a perimeter player that shoots a great % in the final possession of a game.

Unfortunately for you it seems as if every credible website defines clutch as the final 5 minutes of a game that is within 5 points.

Looked like I found something but it seems like its comparing LBJ/Durant in the clutch but I'll post it

bksballer89
SinceMar 1, 2008
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Lebron Clutch Stats this yr

January 1, 2013 7:34 pm

If anyone's interested in past couple years of "clutch" stats here you go.


2010-2011-      [http://www.82games.com/1011/CSORT11
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]2011-2012        [http://www.82games.com/1112/CSORT11
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Gator 93
SinceOct 23, 2012
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Lebron Clutch Stats this yr

January 1, 2013 7:40 pm

Situation: final five minutes, game within five points. Statistics are per 48 minutes.
(Note: average field goal percentage -- 41.0 percent)

Durant vs Lebron 2011-2012 season (before NBA finals started)

Durant-190 MIN, 42%fg, 30% from 3, 85% ft shooting, 13.6 REB, 2.3 TO 1.5 APG, 45.7 PPG, +6.1, and PER 33.6
Lebron-145 MIN, 41.7 Fg%, 38.9% from 3, 71% ft shooting, 15.6 RPG, 2.6 TO, 7.5 APG, 40.4 PPG, +12.9, and PER of 36.3

Surprised? Perception often doesn’t mirror reality. Though Durant had an epic Game 6 against the San Antonio Spurs, he hasn’t been electric all season long. In clutch situations, Durant beats James in shooting percentages by only a sliver (in fact, James was better from downtown). Overall, James has registered a higher player efficiency rating (PER), which bottles up all the box-score stats into one trusty figure. James bests Durant in the rebounding and assist categories while Durant takes the cake in the points and turnover department.

What separates James from Durant and the rest of the league is his uncanny ability to find the open man under pressure. And somehow, this team-first mentality has been twisted to become one of James’ greatest perceived flaws. Despite playing in 45 fewer minutes than Durant in clutch situations, James has 23 assists to Durant’s measly six. If you’re wondering why James has posted a far superior plus/minus than Durant this season in standard clutch time, look no further than the MVP’s ability to hit the open man.
Super-Clutch performance

Situation: final minute, game within three points. Statistics are per 48 minutes.
(Note: average field goal percentage -- 36.1 percent)

Durant-83 MIN, 45% shooting, 29.6 3PT fg %, 80 ft%, 8.7 RPG, 0.7 APG, 59 PPG,  + 28.9, and 39.5 PER
Lebron- 63 MIN, 43% shooting, 50% 3 pt fg, 65% ft shooting, 17.5 RPG, 11.4 APG, 41 PPG, +22.1, and 36.4 PER

Ah, the tables have turned. As the game creeps into the final minute, we see that James and Durant have undergone a bit of a role switch. This time, Durant has recorded the higher PER while James boasts the higher shooting percentage. That runs counter to what we saw in the previous analysis with looser constraints.

It should be noted, though, that as we slice the game down to smaller and smaller increments, we’re getting less and less meaningful. Fluky things start having a greater weight when we’re dealing with less than two full games worth of playing time, as is the case here.

But hey, it’s still ridiculously fun to look at. Yes, Durant has scored a mind-boggling 59 points per 48 minutes in super clutch time. And yes, James has posted a monster triple-double line of 41.9 points, 17.5 rebounds and 11.4 assists. (Quick timeout: This is where we take a moment to stop and thank the basketball gods for delivering us this terrific matchup.)

So why has Durant been more productive this time around? Because of his crazy-good shot-creating ability. While Durant carves up the defense for his own shot, James creates for others. In 83 minutes of play, Durant has recorded just one assist, but during that time he has made a ridiculous 59 shots. Though a 59-to-1 make-to-assist ratio might make some people queasy, that’s just a testament to Durant’s freakish talent at getting a shot off. Also, James has been sloppier with the ball in these moments, though it’s hard to take issue with the average of 17.5 rebounds and 11.4 assists.

Can we go deeper? Of course. Let’s take it one step further and look at do-or-die situations. Remember Durant’s 3-of-4 mark mentioned earlier? What would it look like if we looked at game-tying or go-ahead field goals in the final 24 seconds of the game for each player’s career? That’ll give us a much better sample size than four shots.

Game on the line, one shot to win it. Who has performed better, Durant or James? The answer might surprise you.
DO OR DIE SITUATIONS-Situation: final 24 seconds, down three points or less or tied. Statistics are per 48 minutes.
(Note: average field goal percentage: 28.9 percent).

Durant-36 MIN, 27%, 25% from 3, 100% from the line (only taken 6 fts), 51 points total, and a per of 12.3 (below avg)
Lebron-71 MIN, 34%, 14% from 3, 71% from the line, 115 points total, and a per of 27.5

Yes, you read that correctly:

In do-or-die situations, James has performed better than Durant over their respective careers.

James has made 35-of-102 shots (34 percent, or 37 percent if you prefer effective field goal percentage, which lends extra weight to 3-pointers). Durant checks in at 18-for-67 (or 27 percent, which is effectively 34 percent). Durant has drained a higher percentage of his 3-point shots and free throws, but overall, James has the upper hand.

Two disclaimers here. One, Durant has about half as many opportunities as James in these situations, so that’s why the points column is so lopsided. Secondly, it feels unfair to judge Durant so early in his career; he’s almost a decade younger than Dwyane Wade, for crying out loud.

What these numbers tell us is that our eyes can deceive us. The mythology of clutch is oftentimes just that, a myth. We’ve seen Durant hit an incredible number of game-winning shots, but we forget the misses. And there have been many -- even though he’s been nearly flawless this postseason. When Durant fails in the closing moments, we tend to chalk it up to bad luck and inexperience. But when James fails, as he did in the Finals in 2011, it’s seen as damning evidence of his defective soul.

In the end, when we cut through all the rhetoric about James' and Durant’s clutch performances and look at the data, we find that they’re nearly indistinguishable. And the one thing that Durant seems to have over James -- the so-called clutch gene -- may be nothing more than a mirage.


bksballer89
SinceMar 1, 2008
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Lebron Clutch Stats this yr

January 1, 2013 7:47 pm

Just for the record, from what I just posted only the traditional clutch situation (up/down 5 in the last 5 min of a game) is based on just the 2011-2012 season.

The super clutch and do or die clutch situations are based on both players entire career.

Nothing really surprising except that LBJ is a much better 3 pt shooter in super clutch moments. Doesn't surprises me that both players are much better than league avg in the super clutch when it comes to fg% and doesn't surprise me that LBJ is much a better shooter than the league avg in do or die situations

bksballer89
SinceMar 1, 2008
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Lebron Clutch Stats this yr

January 1, 2013 7:49 pm

"Men lie, women lie, numbers don't"-Jay-Z
bksballer89
SinceMar 1, 2008
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Lebron Clutch Stats this yr

January 1, 2013 8:12 pm

LOL. Lebron clutch...Lebron fans will always find stats to try and SPIN to cover up Lebron's choking....



Here's how you tell the difference between Clutch players and chokers....


Did you ever see Kobe or MJ shoot 2 consecutive airballs from the ft line in the finals with the game on the line like Lebron did against the Spurs?

Did you ever see Kobe or MJ get swept in the finals like Lebron did?

Did you ever see Kobe or MJ win 2 bronze medals like Lebronze did?


Did you ever see MJ or Kobe humiliate themselves in the finals like Lebron did against Dallas?


And btw, Durant destroyed Lebron in the finals in the 4th qtr...Too bad for Durant he didn't have the refs in his back pocket like Lebron did..



Lebron clutch...LMAO..


Peace. Happy holidays... 
Sman20ll
SinceMay 22, 2012
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Lebron Clutch Stats this yr

January 1, 2013 8:16 pm

Did you ever see Kobe or MJ get swept in the finals like Lebron did?
Kobe losing 4-1 to Detroit after being up 1-0 is just as bad considering that Kobe had a much better team with Shaq, GP, and Malone.




bksballer89
SinceMar 1, 2008
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Lebron Clutch Stats this yr

January 1, 2013 10:15 pm

Kobe losing 4-1 to Detroit after being up 1-0 is just as bad considering that Kobe had a much better team with Shaq, GP, and Malone.

From reading this, I get the feeling you didn't watch or were to young to remember this game...

Vitamike
SinceFeb 7, 2008
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Lebron Clutch Stats this yr

January 1, 2013 10:16 pm

* this series...
Vitamike
SinceFeb 7, 2008