The Pens Thread

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The Pens Thread

January 27, 2013 9:01 pm

It seems to me that Crosby and Malkin dont have the leadership qualities needed to rally the team.  On the ice they are extremely talented but it seems they cant rally the troops.  I think the pens are missing a vet that can still play but whos main job will be to get these young guys head straight.

There is an article saying FLA is thinking of trading Weiss because they cant sign him without being over the cap.  What about brining him in and moving Malkin who cant win a face off to a wing?
Pauly3829
SinceOct 21, 2006
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January 27, 2013 9:39 pm

I agree Crow. With the possible exception of the goalies, Martin has been THE best player for the Pens in IMO. He has been extremely solid defensively and has even brought a little bit more offense than we are used to from him. He's much more confident with the puck. It's hard to believe this is the same guy as last year. Let's hope he keeps it up. Having that shutdown unit would great.

Solid game from the Pens tonight, but I need to see more. If they think they are back on track because of one game, they easily could fall back into the sloppy play.

Hopefully Niskanen is OK, but I wouldn't mind seeing Bortuzzo get a shot over Lovejoy/Despres.  

pete5597
SinceDec 7, 2008
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January 27, 2013 9:47 pm

What about brining him in and moving Malkin who cant win a face off to a wing?

Malkin on the wing has never worked. He's much better as a center.

Jason Arnott is still available. There was a report he signed with the Rangers, but aparently the deal fell through. I don't know if he can play wing, but I wouldn't mind him on that line with Malkin and Neal. He's big, physical, can put the puck in the net, and is responsible defensively. Plus he's good at faceoffs. He can take them for Malkin, especially in the defensive zone, and then let Malkin take over as center once the puck is in play. I've been wanting him since before the lockout. 

pete5597
SinceDec 7, 2008
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January 27, 2013 9:52 pm

Oh yeah...Arnott would also bring that veteran leadership. It might stick it to the Rangers a little bit, too.
pete5597
SinceDec 7, 2008
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January 27, 2013 10:29 pm

"Crosby and Malkin can do no wrong, I get it."

I didnt mean that.  I just was asking an honest question.  I was wondering what your solution was.  Its hard to point out flaws when talking about the best players in the world.  I mean they both arent doing well on d i guess, but they are contributing excellently on offense.  They need to pick it up on d i agree.  
Marino1313
SinceApr 1, 2010
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January 27, 2013 10:31 pm

Kunitz has played horrible so far Jesus. Sutter hasn't stood out from any of the 9 crappy forwards.
ChrisH102383
SinceMay 8, 2008
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January 27, 2013 11:19 pm

 Its hard to point out flaws when talking about the best players in the world.
Physically you are correct, but that doesnt let them off the hook for sloppy mental mistakes, or lazy play. You need your top paid players to earn their money more than just offensively. And especially your leaders need to lead by example. 
I mean they both arent doing well on d i guess, but they are contributing excellently on offense.
 When this team is completely healthy, this has been the problem though....the idea that they dont really need to play smart or sound defensively as long as they score goals. And a lot of it is leadership...when Crosby and Malkin were out, this team was awesome defensively, so its not like they arent capable. 
SeaOfGreen
SinceAug 14, 2006
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January 28, 2013 4:26 am

Sutter hasn't stood out

Not offensively he hasn't. But didn't they say last night his line hasn't given up a goal yet? Or am I hearing things? Isn't that what everybody is complaining about Crosby and especially Malkin, who again, tried to slip a blind backhand pass that was easily picked up by the Sens and taken into the Pens zone towards the end of the 3d period. If you don't hear a name mentioned, that can be a good sign, not necessarily a bad sign. Sutter is doing exactly what everybody said he would do. More goals?

Good game. Have we ever seen 5 out of 6 players score in a SO? In a 1-1 game where the goalies are supposedly hot..... 

CUP4PENS  
igloofn68
SinceSep 13, 2006
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January 28, 2013 8:31 am

I wouldnt call last nights effort as solid. I think they were very fortunate to escape with two points. Once again they are still way too careless with the puck. Im hoping its still due to rust rather than bad habits but I doubt it.

I thought during last nites game that they are missing Staals offensive production. I was also thinking that Sutter hasnt done anything so far that has made me take notice of him but he just might be doing alot of the little things that most dont see but are more valuable than we know. 

I also agree that the team really needs a veteren presence. Iginla anybody? I know, I know salary cap. He would be a great addition and I think Calgary finally moves him this year.
all-pgh
SinceApr 27, 2009
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January 28, 2013 10:46 am

Sutter and his line have not been scored on once in five games ... this is exactly why he was brought in.  He was not brought in to score goals.  When he does start scoring ... and it will happen ... that will just be an added bonus.  He is not going to put up the points of J. Staal ... he's not as good a player.  But he is actually filling the role of shutdown 3rd line center better than Stall did for the past few seasons.
CrowDog
SinceJan 26, 2007
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January 28, 2013 11:41 am

Jason Arnott is still available. There was a report he signed with the Rangers, but aparently the deal fell through.

Apparently he failed his physical, which is not a good sign for him.  I don't know if he has concussion symptoms or what his ailment is, but it doesn't sound like he's hockey ready.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/h
ockey/rangers/rangers-rescind-deal-
free-agent-arnott-article-1.1249151


 
CrowDog
SinceJan 26, 2007
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January 28, 2013 12:09 pm

Once again they are still way too careless with the puck.

It was lightyears ahead of where they were the last few games, though, and they did a much better job of insulating Fleury.

I don't really blame Malkin for the turnover that lead to the goal. He saw Neal coming late with a ton of open space and tried to get him the puck. Neal just couldn't play the puck yet. If the change was a little bit faster, Neal would have had a glorious scoring chance.

I have to agree with the majority on Sutter. He has been very good defensively which is exactly what the Pens need him to be. I am a little bit disappointed with his puck possession, but let's remember, he's still only 23 and adjusting to a new system. I don't expect him to ever be a big scorer, but he will likely be in that 15-20 goal range most years (assuming an 82-game season). That is fine by me if he continues to play defense the way he has been and there's no reason to think he won't. 

pete5597
SinceDec 7, 2008
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January 28, 2013 12:16 pm

Apparently he failed his physical, which is not a good sign for him. 

Dang. He would help solve so many of the Pens problems. Top 6 forward - Check. Veteran leader - Check. More defensive responsibility - Check. More grit - Check. You can never have too many faceoff guys either.

It says he had knee surgery in the offseason. A 38-year-old who just failed a physical and is coming off knee surgery is probably something you want to stay away from.

pete5597
SinceDec 7, 2008
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January 28, 2013 1:54 pm

I don't really blame Malkin for the turnover that lead to the goal.
No, but then instead of getting back on defense, and backchecking, he went for a low percentage steal at the blue line, which led to the oddman rush and the goal.  I do blame him for this.  That is classic Malkin. He is not a solid defender.  He goes for the steal instead of committing to defense.  Agree with a lot of comments from crowdog and pete.  The defense is playing a little better, especially the defensemen.  Martin has been solid the games I have seen.  Engelland made a huge play to break up a breakaway, and Letang had a couple of real nice defensive plays also.  I thought Tangradi looked a little bit more comfortable out there.  As pete said, it is too early to close the book on him.  I don't think he has the makings of a star, but he still has time to become a decent player.
SMURPH
SinceOct 20, 2006
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January 28, 2013 7:08 pm

If ChrisUlfBurgh don't like the linemates Malkin has with Neal and "?" he should be thankful that he isn't a Capitlas fans. Ovechkin gets to play with Jay Beagle and Joey Crabb.
KILLERPGH
SinceJan 22, 2008
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January 28, 2013 7:42 pm

Ovechkin's takes up $9.5M in salary cap space ... the Caps can't afford to surround him with top talent either.  He usually plays with Backstrom, and then some cheap other linemate.  That's just how the salary cap works.  Now if Ovechkin made closer to $6M a year, then the Caps would have cap room to give him another $5M+ linemate.  Sound familiar?  It should.  This isn't rocket science. ;)
CrowDog
SinceJan 26, 2007
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January 28, 2013 7:52 pm

If you want to know how to win in the cap era, just look at the champs ...

2012 - Kings ... highest cap hits were Kopitar at $6.8M and Doughty at $7M
2011 - Blackhawks ... highest cap hits were Kane and Toews, both at $6.3M
2010 - Bruins ... highest cap hit was Chara at $6.9M, and then a bunch of guys at $5M or so
2009 - Penguins ... highest cap hit was Gonchar at $5.5M
2008 - Red Wings ... highest cap hit was Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Lidstrom, all around $6M

Nobody's been able to win yet by giving out $8-9M/year in cap money yet. 
CrowDog
SinceJan 26, 2007
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January 28, 2013 9:02 pm

Does anyone know anything about Chad Kolarikwho the Penguins receiced in the Benn Ferriero trade?  He is in the AHL all star game and has a couple goals.  He is 27 already and makes me think he probably won't make it at the NHL level on a permanent basis.
smcndfan
SinceFeb 18, 2008
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January 28, 2013 9:04 pm

Hey Crow, the Penguins highest cap hits in 2009 were Crosby at $8.7M, with an annual average salary of $9M, Malkin was still in his last year of his rookie contract.  Gonchars cap hit that year was $5M with an annual average salary of $6M.  That's accroding to capgeek.
crosby 2 malkin
SinceJan 15, 2008
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January 28, 2013 9:57 pm

I watched some of the Bruins canes game tonight. I never thought I'd say it but I really miss Staal. He was so frustrating to watch over his career. But he was finally getting his shit**** together before he was traded. We were butt fuck****ed big time in that trade, at least in the short term
ChrisH102383
SinceMay 8, 2008