Minor League System

Hanny for trout. Any other gm would've made it happen. I mean he was an ALL-STAR, don't teams understand that? Not to mention, relievers are the most vital part of any team. Hanny was an all-star, why didn't they get an all-star back? Did NH even try to turn "force trade" on??

Hanny for trout. Any other gm would've made it happen. I mean he was an ALL-STAR, don't teams understand that? Not to mention, relievers are the most vital part of any team. Hanny was an all-star, why didn't they get an all-star back? Did NH even try to turn "force trade" on??


I like when you make up things that you think I say. It's pretty funny, and way off.  I just think you can do better than acquiring washed up, never-will-be, old minor leaguers for all-stars.  You, apparently, think that is ridiculous. 


Just lose, baby!  Oh wait, there are some good minor leaguers somewhere in the system!


      

    

I like when you make up things that you think I say. It's pretty funny, and way off

I agree. Lord knows you have never done anything like that... 

I don't actually think you said that. Do you only understand sarcasm when it's used to bash the bucs?

Although you are right, you never specifically said who they should've got for hanny. Its easier to bury your head in thesand and bash. Remember Hanny was an ALL-STAR! Did I mention that?!?! Did you even know that?! 

SOG, you very, very rarely offer anything but defense of what the Bucs do and attack those who disagree.  I mostly criticize one bad move after another, but at least I add something. 


I'm sorry you see no value in all-stars and feel they are worth the same as old, career minor leaguers.  Winning teams don't value them the same.  They are not the same.  All-stars help teams win, washed up minor leaguers don't do anything, except maybe add a name to a minor league scouting report.  I don't expect the world for Hanrahan, but at least a player who can play in the majors, not a bunch of guys who fill bench seats in minor league parks.  They gave away a good player for nothing, and you bash ME for that.  Logical.    

When was the last time the Bucs traded a handful of castaways and never-will-bes for a solid major leaguer?  Oh right, the Wandy deal.  Great trade, been saying it since it happen.  Otherwise, the Bucs are on the wrong end of these moves far, far too many times. 


 

SOG, you very, very rarely offer anything but defense of what the Bucs do and attack those who disagree.  I mostly criticize one bad move after another, but at least I add something.

Unfortunately, very, very rarely means i still offer more than you, which is absolutely nothing. Unless randomly dropping in sarcastic comments to reiterate the same point over and over counts as something. 

This thread is a perfect example of what you offer...in response to Conman posting an article about the Pirates minor league system, specifically behind its top name players, you.....immediately start whining. No legit discussion, no intelligent posts, just completely ignore the entire article because it didnt fit in with your "bash the FO" mentality. 

In this entire thread, you contributed literally nothing of substance until you turned the conversation back to the Hanrahan thread. Which wasnt what this thread was about at all. You are right, you certainly do add something.....

I'm sorry you see no value in all-stars and feel they are worth the same as old, career minor leaguers.

Didnt you just accuse me of putting words in your mouth? At least I was joking. Pretty hilarious that you are doing the EXACT thing you were just whining about literally a few posts ago.  
 

In this entire thread, you contributed literally nothing of substance until you turned the conversation back to the Hanrahan thread. Which wasnt what this thread was about at all. You are right, you certainly do add something.....
  

Perfect example of what I'm talking about.  No talking points, good or bad, about the Bucs, just getting after someone who disagrees with an action.  That's fine if you don't believe I add anything, but tell me, what do you add to these conversations?  

At the very least in this thread, I added more articles rating the Pirates farm system, I believe 3 had them 8th, and one had them 12th.

Regardless, I read the article and found it interesting. I didnt immediately bash it as meaningless like you did. Even when I engaged your idea that this article was biased, which was a big part of your initial bashing, and provided other unbiased sources, you completely ignored it, instead opting to hijack the thread into bashing the hanrahan deal. 

I'm sorry if your feelings are hurt if I do no respond to each of your posts.


You did offer some better, non-team related evaluations.    

I'm sorry if your feelings are hurt if I do no respond to each of your posts. 

Let me try to put this simply....I could care less if you do or do not respond to me. But if you take issue with my post, and I respond supporting my point against yours, and you ignore it to instead randomly bash a NH trade, you cannot turn around in the same thread and act like you actually contribute anything other than anti-NH BS at every corner. Which is exactly what I have been saying for a while now, and exactly why you constantly cry about me bashing you. 

speaking of minor league systems and the draft in particular...an area where I am not a NH fan at all (after the first pick or two...no brainers)

during 2010 draft...I was slightly perturbed during the draft and slamming NH for drafting a CF'er in rd 3 when we needed power,,,and really was pissed when he took Kingdon, another RH'd SP....a kid I was clammoring for was a 2nd rd talent who fell to the forth round, Hunter Morris out of Auburn, a white Prince Fielder looking kid (was my description)...a guy who's numbers improved thru out college and a plus glove at 1B and a big lefty for PNC.

Well he stunk his first taste in minors while Kingdom did well...and ROJAS WAS JUST A TERRIBLE PICK ANY WAY YOU LOOK AT IT...then and now...but not here particularly but another another site lambasted me (they're all NH sympathizers at the time, NH was the king of draft...

But lost track of morris...just saw him highlighted in artical...MVP of AA league last year...over 300 w/ 28 HR's ect...may even start w/ the big club this year but prob at AAA.

He may never make it but w/ the needs in our system at the time, drafting a CF'er w/ no power and another RH high schooler when a talent like this kid was sitting out there like a sore thumb...

Like the Gamache 3B in rd 6 when his own coach was expecting rd 20 instead of a a 1st team SEC SS (Mcelroy)who was to be taken starting rd 5 from the same team...where the SS hit for more power, average, OB%, OPS, and a true SS and clutch player...and knowing we needed a SS in a huge way in the system.

None of us know all these kids but the very few that I do know, and the way we've drafting around these kids...I still have ZERO confidence that NH has a clue...draft related past first 2 rds.

Yeah looking back after the first couple it leaves a lot to be desired. However, it is a crapshoot. They have a couple guys like Wilson, Dickerson and probably others I am missing but it would be nice to get more out of that. What I do like, though, is that their LA signings seems to be able to offset some of those draft struggles.