Ugly Wins/Ugly Losses/Ugly Team

cleaves2000, although I may be distracted at times with people getting lost in my opinion we seem to have an understanding. Nobody is asking Bo to win NCAA titles (it would be awesome) but I am asking him to put together teams that could win one. Like cleaves said, he gets bounced out early to teams that we are supposed to be superior to. Our team is consistently together for 2,3,4,5 years, just like the mid major teams and this is a big advantage playing against all the BIG time teams that have constant turnover with their stars who are one and done. So we should be producing better in the tourney for that reason too. losing against lesser battle tested teams early and too often is not what I expect from Bo Ryan or any coach who is good. The Badgers have a style of play that I do not like, so if they are not going to change it then maybe Bo Ryan should get better at executing it in the tournament, maybe we can win then? Dick Bennet did it! F4 :) Also make some free throws Bucky...

There are a lot of big time schools that would like to have 16 wins in the last 11 NCAA tournaments. A LOT! Almost half the time your school is playing the second weekend of the NCAA tournament. I am not one who believes Wisconsin needs a change in leadership. I honestly believe Wisconsin would take a giant step backwards if the went in another direction.

I honestly believe Wisconsin would take a giant step backwards if the went in another direction.

We'd probably be Minnesota.

No one is getting lost in your opinion wicks, it's just that most think your opinion is stupid. Bo Ryan has had teams that "Could" have won one. A few of the sweet sixteen teams were capable, so was the elite eight team, and the team that got bounced by UNLV was almost a sure bet for the Final Four before Butch got injured. That was a huge blow that year. The tourney is fickle, there are a TON of teams who should go further that don't every single year and even more that do not even make the tournament. You admit you just don;t like the style of play but jsut because your opinion is that you don't like the style does not mean his teams do not have a chance come tourney time, in fact his teams have more of a chance than 90% of the teams in D1 basketball every single year.... nevermind you will lost in that opinion....

So if the teams could had or would had made one but didnt......whos responsible for that? If it happens to more than one wisky team.....whos responsible for that? When does the coach take responsibility? The tourney is about in game adjustments, halftime adjustments, match ups, and some luck....does wisky come up short doing these things come tourney time? Seems like they get a little luck since they draw teams like cornell, UNLV, davidson in the dance. They were all good teams, but definitely teams you should want to play in the dance avoiding the better teams....i just think with bo's system, he cant adjust much come tourney time.......ive seen many tourneys were izzo adjusts a game plan to try and shock a team....and it usually works since the other team wasnt prepared for it....you have to be able to play different styles in the tourney. ......as for injuries...thats a BS excuse.....next man up....its a system......sparty made the final 4 without big 10 player of the year kalin lucas.

If only we could get rid of Bo Ryan!  There are undoubtedly dozens of coaches out there we could hire who could finally turn the Wisconsin program around and deliver consistent Final Four appearances.  What a load of nonsense.

Michigan State has a long-standing tradition of basketball excellence with great athletes and, yes, a great coach.  There are very few programs that have had that kind of consistent success.  It is unrealistic to compare Wisconsin to Michigan State given the history of these programs.  Prior to 1994, Wisconsin hadn't been to the NCAA tournament since 1947.  Every year Bo Ryan's teams have had a shot in the tournament, with 4 sweet sixteens and one elite 8.  Only once have they been knocked out in the first game.  If that's not enough for some people, they should root for another team. 

Butler doesnt have a long standing tradition, but yet they have made runs at the final 4. Doesnt have nothing to do with your past.....talented recruits dont want to play in a slow it down boring offense. Not trying to start crap, its just the truth.....sparty has trouble recruiting sometimes because our main offense has been the same forever....plus many of these young kids now days dont want to go play for a team that preaches rugged defense and rebounding first like sparty and wisky do.....before tom izzo, sparty basketball wasnt all that great.....79 was the last year we were relevant pre-izzo.

 I'll take coach Ryan anyday.

Bonzai raises an interesting point with his comment about taking coach Ryan anyday.  Honest hypothetical question for anyone that wants to respond:

Who would you rather have as head coach of the Wisconsin Badgers, Bo Ryan or Tom Izzo?

Not trying to start crap

That's all you ever do. Constantly. For years.

We get it. Izzo has great success in March. Bo Ryan only has above average success.

Can we stop with the barely coherent sentence fragment posts for at least a season or two?

In response to cleaves2000, you are correct that past success or tradition are not the only factors relevant to recruiting, but they are important factors.  It's easier to maintain a strong tradition than to build one.  In Big Ten football, kids grow up wanting to play for teams like Michigan and Ohio State.  It's tough to compete with that tradition plain and simple.  MSU has been "relevant" for a lot longer than Wisconsin.  MSU went to the NCAA tournament nearly every year in the 90s pre-Izzo, a couple times in the 80s and the 79 team created a legacy for that program that's hard to match anywhere.  During that time, Wisconsin was out in the wilderness.

Again, I don't disagree with you, but having watched years and years of miserable failure at Wisconsin before Bennett and Ryan, I am pretty darn happy with where the program is now and where it can go in the future based on its new legacy of more recent success. 

How am i trying to start crap? Its just thebadge and kaara are 2 wisky fans who you can never tell them anything bad about wisky.....in their eyes wisky is a greater program than duke....only reason i ended up on these boards was for respect for wisky....while in the past me and wisky fans have talked alot of "fun" smack on here...its just thebadge and kaara dont understand the fun part of it....they get too defensive. They remind me of my fellow lions fans on here who think theres nothing wrong with the lions and get all defensive when you dare say something bad about them.....

Walter i agree that tradition helps recruiting...but as far as how good sparty was in the past....yes thanks to magic we won in 79....but the next 16 years before izzo took over sparty made it to the sweet 16 only twice....now that record makes bo ryan look like a great tourney coach.....then izzo finally made the final 4 after 3 more years.....so in 19 years the spartans only made the swt 16 twice. I understand fans dont want to get rid of bo....why would they...but if he continues to bow out early in the dance, how important is the reg season really? I believe any coach who can recruit, can win anywhere. Ill admit if bo just gets one final 4 under his belt, i would consider him a upper tier coach, and would expect wisky to lock him up for life...they say that first one is the hardest one to get.

in their eyes wisky is a greater program than duke....

He's absolutely right. I do say that all the time.

Remaining schedule: @Minnesota, Ohio St., @Northwestern, Nebraska, Purdue, @Michigan St., @Penn St. I was wondering what ugly wins and ugly losses you guys think are likely. MN will be very tough at home, I predict a loss. OH ST at home, decent chance of a win. Should win the next three, but with the scoring droughts and inconsistency, it's tough to call them a lock but again they should win them. A loss at MSU, a win at PSU. I think best case 5-2, 4-3 if they stumble at home versus OHST. UW doesn't lose much at home, but this year's team is a toss up in my estimation. Anything better than 4-3 is gravy, anything worse is a huge disappointment.

cleaves2000, you are killing it on this thread!  Great posts!  As a Badger fan, I appreciate your candor and your well-argued positions.  You know you've won the argument when goofs like thebadge resort to sarcasm or criticizing your sentence structure rather than address the real issues.

Truth is, it's hard to talk up Ryan's "success" when he has a rival like Izzo in the same conference.  Izzo doesn't need excuses.  Know why?  Cause he wins when it counts.  Time and time again.
 
You want excuses?  Below is what was offered by our resident buffoon kaara in one single, solitary post . . . .    

Bo Ryan has had teams that "Could" have won one.

A few of the sweet sixteen teams were capable
  
was almost a sure bet for the Final Four before Butch got injured.

The tourney is fickle

Keep 'em coming kaara.  Reading your posts is consistently entertaining.

Evridge for the Heiseman!  

What argument did he win? Is there a position I've taken in this thread that you disagree with?

Anything better than 4-3 is gravy, anything worse is a huge disappointment.

Sounds about right. If we beat Ohio State we'll keep the streak alive of at least 4th place finishes. If we lose that game (or get upset by someone else) we'll finish 5th and have to play a first round game in the BTT.

The guy is a lunatic.... I've never even so much as insinuated soemthing as stupid as that and neither have you. Idiots like MrMotion and  Cleaves and others don't like our posts because our posts are grounded in reality. it isn't that we think WI is better than Duke we merely see WI for what it is and what it is capable of recruiting wise, we then combine that with common sense and realize that realistically Bo Ryan is most likely the best coach we can hoep for here at WI. If perhaps a coach comes along someday after Bo retires and raises the level once again I will be happy but i will only be because Bo built a legacy of winning and consistancy and not the other way around.....

our resident mental midget mrmotion loves to talk smack and complain like a whiney b$&ch but never once has he offered a realistic solution to is perceived (not real mind you) problems with the UW men's bball program. It's because there is no solution because there is  no problem but he cannot come to grips with that reality

Classic Badgers! 17 seconds left in regulation, what do they do... dribble around until they need to heave up a desperation shot. And the reason why, is because they do not have anyone who knows how to create a shot or have enough confidence to shoot a jump shot. Classic, well hopefully the sandman defense and tempo can put the Gophers to sleep. I want to scratch my eyes out watching these guys heave up the ugliest shots that have no chance... and it’s everyone on the floor except Dekker. Why does Bo Ryan allow the entire roster to shoot 3's? Also can we please have the "Great" coach Bo Ryan teach these guys to shoot free throws...please? Like a dull headache all day long...