Navy AD says Boise State "not worth it"

BamaTime, I would love to see Boise play Bama. I don't even care what the result would be, I would just love the challenge. Of course if it happened unless it was played at a neutral site it would certainly be in Alabama. That means Boise would have to make up for that road game by scheduling a FCS team at home. Again, they need six home games and no non-AQ teams are willing to do anything other than home and home games with Boise. That's the problem. That's why we scheduled BYU to a 12 games series. At least they'll repay our games in Provo with games in Boise.

So should they take 4 or 5 home games instead of the 6 that they are barely able to scrape together each year?  Barely any home games for their fans.  Is that what you're saying?     




I think this is a misleading argument.  My understanding is that the MWC is playing an 8 game conference schedule.  That's 4 home games, meaning Boise can play 2 OOC games on the road every year and meet its 6 home game requirement.


For example, 2014 (the next incompletely scheduled season for Boise), the Broncos have BYU at home and Ole Miss at a neutral site, so view the game with the Rebels as a road game for home revenue purposes.  Boise could easily bring in a non-major for the front part of a H&H or even a low-level FBS or FCS and play a top-level major on the road for a one and done or the front end of a 2 for 1.  Same goes for 2015.

And that's just at an initial glance.



No, it's not ideal for Boise fans as it does not bring an opponent into Boise worth watching, but the Broncos haven't shown much ability to get that done anyway.  But there's no reason why Boise can't start tackling the SOS issue and still get 6 home games a season.


Thoughts, B4L?                 

Says the fan of the team bringing in two current FCS teams and a bottom nonAQ.  Says the fan of a team that always hires three mules (or hookers) to come in and lay down for them on a Saturday night.

I marvel at the total inability of Southerns to do simple math.  If one school has 7 or 8 home games some other school is forced to have 4 or 5. And of course the ones with the advantage think it fair and fail to see the problem.

You good folks are so clueless that it's hard to carry on a dialogue.

You want Boise to go on the road?  They took on Georgia on the road.  Beat them.  Orengon on the road.  Beat them.  VT on the road. Beat them.  Every year they open in some giagantic stadium taking on a team with a big home (or almost home) feld advatnage.

Every year for the last five.

Don't you thin that it's time for one of your cowardly schools to return the favor?

Well, are you men or mice?   Come on, squeak up!




Poor Smiles.  His posts have become so desperate.   

You could, Lass. But then you find yourself in a pickle for future seasons beyond 2014. It's a vicious, endless cycle.

You could, Lass.  But then you find yourself in a pickle for future seasons beyond 2014.  It's a vicious, endless cycle.     



The only dilemma I can see is that an elite team does not come to Boise.  That dilemma already exists.    

Says the fan of the team bringing in two current FCS teams and a bottom nonAQ.  Says the fan of a team that always hires three mules (or hookers) to come in and lay down for them on a Saturday night.



BSU and Bama plays the same number of FCS opponents this season.....I will let you figure out the count.




Smiles I see you also count BSU's neutral site games as road games.....I am fine with that but can bama do the same? If so bama has played Clemson, VT, Michigan, PSU, Duke, and VT coming up again this season on the road.

Here you go trying to call schools cowards again...You are the one that said BSU is to scared to schedule games against AQ on the AQs home field going forward. BSU didnt play a single EOY ranked team last year....When it comes to playing quality opponents BSU is the cowards.

You crack me up.  Boise has gone on the road and beat better teams than S. Miss or La-Monroe did. 

One only per season in most seasons, but not every season. No biggie. Followed up by 11 cupcakes. Wow. I'm impressed. NOT.

Nope, we'll save stupid for others.

Yep. And you'll bitch and gripe and cry when the Sugar Bowl picks VT or UM when they have more losses than you. Your school is real smart, Smiles.

Enjoy those MAACO Bowls. Heck, you might as well buy tickets to the game for the next 20 years or so because that's where you're going - unless another mishap like a IC loss happens again. At least you already know the best bowl you can get. Enjoy.

Ok, so between the Navy and BSU AD's, which is the smarter?  It seems like Navy's AD saying something to the effect of 'that boat won't float' has BSU nation explaining why they can't get a good game on, but since their team and coaches are so good.. by default they deserve to be in the big game. 

What is Navy nation and their AD presently doing as a result of BSU's AD?  How many Navy fans are railing on about SEC OOC and the tragedy of SEC teams taking potential Navy home opponents away?

This is getting wierd, especially the part about not scheduling 'ballsy' OOC like Fresno.. simply because you beat Fresno in IC play which therefore makes them stupid, lol.

Happy Valentine's Day sweethearts!

HEY LASS!

happy Val day!

Lemme qualify, I am just kidding Ok?  Are you and Smilie married or something?

No, what I want to interject is; (I ve said it B4) If you only had to get up for 1 game or 2 a year, and 1 was the first game of season, that is STACKING THE DECK!  TO ME ANYWAY! 

So. No BROWNIE points for that one! 

Please give one LEGITIMATE reason for Alabama to choose going to Boise over any other OOC on our schedule.

Football is a sport, Einstein, not religion, not politics, not economics.  In a sport, the best teams should play one another on a level playing field in fair competition to find out which one is best.  Every other sport on the planet does it.  Boise has the best record in football, against teams in the same division.  That's not my opinion, that's not speculation, that is a fact.  As one of the best teams in the division, some kind of a system should be in place that would give them a chance to play the other top teams.   Period.

Football is a sport, and in every sport ever invented, the best in that sport eventually play one another.  Why is only division one college football not included?

Legitimate enough for you?

No Smiles there was not even the slightest piece of legitimate reason in there, just lots of spin.   I did see how you managed to turn a scheduled regular season game argument into one of your playoff fairness rants though, nice try.


As far as your manifesto goes:


First off, the best two teams as chosen by the methods we've all agreed to play under already do play each other...don't remember Boise being in any of those.  in '14 it will be 4 teams, continue to have an SOS over 100 and you won't make the cut there either. 

Continue to whine if you want, but nobody else is responsible for improving your SOS but you.  It is not up to Alabama or any other school to come to Boise to make up for your crappy IC schedule.  Sorry if you don't think that's fair, that's life, and it's not fair quite often.   If you want fairness, I heard the Big Sky is looking for teams. 

 

Continue to whine if you want, but nobody else is responsible for improving your SOS but you.  It is not up to Alabama or any other school to come to Boise to make up for your crappy IC schedule.  Sorry if you don't think that's fair, that's life, and it's not fair quite often.   If you want fairness, I heard the Big Sky is looking for teams.

I totally agree.

This is why Boise has chosen the path that it has chosen to follow.  It is a waste of time trying to convince the Alabamas and Floridas of the world to quit hiring mules and hookers to come into their home stadiums for 5 touchdown smackdowns.  So enjoy those two FCS teams, Tide Fans, oh, and yes, do try to explain how one of them is technically not a teenager (at least that's what her drivers license said, right, wink wink).  I know what your teams do, and if you had one ounce of honesty, you'd would admit it.  But asking SEC fans to be honest is like asking dogs to, well, let's just leave that one alone.

It's a sucker's game anyway.  To be honest, Boise's stategy IS working, better than any of us in Boise could have dreamed ten years ago.

Let's reveiw, in the last decade, Boise has two BCS bowl appearances and two big BCS bowl wins.  They are two missed field goals away from two more appearances.  They have doubled their budget and in a few years will have doubled their stadium. 

So tell me, can S. Miss, La-Monroe or Fresno say that?  You tell me which strategy works better.  Navy?  Total respect for the Midshipmen, total.  They don't have the same mission, never have, never will.  They may be the only school in this whose hands are clean, because they play football for the correct reasons. 

I think that progress is being made, painfully slow, but nonetheless, progress.  Boise and other small market teams are still getting the short end of the stick, but at least now, one BCS game, and more BCS loot is guaranteed.  Still not even close to being equal, but the game isn't over. 

I keep having to laugh at you good SEC types.  You keep confusing sport with politics, religion, the meaning of life, or business.  But then again, that's how you think, isn't it?

Indeed, it makes your longstanding practice of bringing in mules for your optional games all the more laughable.  I mean, you actually think the practice to be legitimate.  That's funny.

Smiles....


Nobody is trying to explain or make excuses that the tide is playing two FCS opponents and your the one that keep trying to say they are. You talk about honesty but the majority of your posts are spin and lies. Use the two FCS opponents for example.....Is bama playing two FCS team or will one be FBS? Should BSU still not be considerd a FBS team since they came into the league in 1996 which is alot later the most?

On the honesty note again I havent seen any bama fans say anything except the Tides OOC is crap. No bama fan is trying to say that BAMA plays a tough OOC schedule. You will see myself and others point out to you and your flawed logic that BSU's OOC schedule is crap also......You are the one who cant seem to be honest and keep trying to spin every post.

BSU has brought in more FCS teams then BAMA during the BCS era.....BSU managed to play the entire season last year without playing a EOY ranked opponent.....That is proving alot.






All you do is spin and aviod smiles...You like to try to point out things and ask questions but you refuse to answer a question someone posts to you.......You bring up schedules and quality opponents and I have called you on it numerous times......Answer the following questions for me smiles if you can...


If bama played BSU schedule next season who on that schedule is a quality opponent against the tide?

If BSU played Bama's schedule next season who on that schedule is a quality opponent for BSU?



You have avoided those questions every time....I dont expect you to answer them this time either.

Smilie,

i am not going to even try to answer YOUR MANIFESTO, as Bama calls it( quite accurately too) Its too tiring!

I will say though, you keep changing the rules of the game, with your debates. Now you seem to want to bring or compare BOISE to ULM or Navy or whomever, its not the same deal Smilie, those schools are trying to climb the ladder and play a strong SOS just as Boise is, Boise I must say is light years ahead of them IMO, but it changes the argument in other areas!

As far as bringing race, sectionalism, religion, etc into it, I take ALL the blame for that.  It was done lite heartedly in response to some touchy subjects and pointed barbs, that I took it upon myself to TRY to diffuse!  SO SUE ME!


You really have a problem about this BOISE/BCS/ SOS thing and I hope it becomes resolved(at least in your mind) upon commencement of the  NCAA PLAYOFFS!

You have avoided those questions every time....I dont expect you to answer them this time either.

I answer your questions faithfully and honestly.  The problem, of course, is that you don't like my answers because, I point out what you don't want to discuss.  The problem is a structural one, a mathmatical one, and has a lot more to do with money than football.

Your first question is a loaded one.  If Bama played Boise's schedule, well, that would mean that Bama would be a member of the MWC.  That would mean that Bama would have an MWC budget, and MWC stadium, and MWC rated players. 

They don't.

Second, if Boise played Bama's schedule, that would mean that Boise would be in the SEC.  That would mean an SEC budget, an SEC media package, and the ability to recruit SEC type players.  Good Lord, my team is really good without those advantages, I can only imagine how fantastic we'd be with them!

Where do we sign up?

you act like Boise could solve these problems by picking up the phone and order up top notch opponents like they were making dinner reservations.  Look, I'm not the most well-connected fellow in town, but I know for a fact that Boise has tried, more times than I can count, to line up better games.  The truth is that your school and most other top schools view Boise as a total trap game.  My proof?  Just look at who they are playing in the only games they control.  Year after year.  It isn't like Boise hasn't tired.

Come on, don't be stupid.  Mal Moore doesn't earn his salary by putting the Crimson Tide at risk.  He hires hookers and mules, because that is what you good people want.  You don't want to play Boise.  You want to play Chattanooga, and so on.  Why?  Well if you didn't you'd protest, refuse to buy tickets, or at least send out a few angry letters.  At least we Boise fans complain about it.  You only defend it.  Well, at least you admit that it is not a strong schedule.  But I don't see any anger about it, after all the stategy works.  Your team is number one.  Your school isn't stupid.  Well, maybe of of your....but let's not be rude, shall we?  Sorry.

I mean, you call me every name in the book.  I wouldn't dare suggest that you look in the mirror, would I?

There is none so blind as he who will not see.

Smilie,

i am not going to even try to answer YOUR MANIFESTO, as Bama calls it( quite accurately too) Its too tiring!

I apologize, Andy.  I am wrong.  After all, I should realize that I am trying to talk to SEC fans.  Anything more than a sentence is too wordy, and none of you can really diffuse thoughtful prose.

My bad.

Was that better?

I answer your questions faithfully and honestly. The problem, of course, is that you don't like my answers because, I point out what you don't want to discuss. The problem is a structural one, a mathmatical one, and has a lot more to do with money than football.

Your first question is a loaded one. If Bama played Boise's schedule, well, that would mean that Bama would be a member of the MWC. That would mean that Bama would have an MWC budget, and MWC stadium, and MWC rated players.

They don't.

Second, if Boise played Bama's schedule, that would mean that Boise would be in the SEC. That would mean an SEC budget, an SEC media package, and the ability to recruit SEC type players. Good Lord, my team is really good without those advantages, I can only imagine how fantastic we'd be with them!

Where do we sign up?

you act like Boise could solve these problems by picking up the phone and order up top notch opponents like they were making dinner reservations. Look, I'm not the most well-connected fellow in town, but I know for a fact that Boise has tried, more times than I can count, to line up better games. The truth is that your school and most other top schools view Boise as a total trap game. My proof? Just look at who they are playing in the only games they control. Year after year. It isn't like Boise hasn't tired.

Come on, don't be stupid. Mal Moore doesn't earn his salary by putting the Crimson Tide at risk. He hires hookers and mules, because that is what you good people want. You don't want to play Boise. You want to play Chattanooga, and so on. Why? Well if you didn't you'd protest, refuse to buy tickets, or at least send out a few angry letters. At least we Boise fans complain about it. You only defend it. Well, at least you admit that it is not a strong schedule. But I don't see any anger about it, after all the stategy works. Your team is number one. Your school isn't stupid. Well, maybe of of your....but let's not be rude, shall we? Sorry.

I mean, you call me every name in the book. I wouldn't dare suggest that you look in the mirror, would I?

There is none so blind as he who will not see.


You could have just said that you was still going to avoid answering the question......Instead of spending so much time to try to spin and avoid it again...


Your school isn't stupid. Well, maybe of of your....but let's not be rude, shall we? Sorry.



Yeah......Nice sentence.

So, basically Smiles agrees that:


1. Boise schedules soft on purpose - because it works for them.

2. All Boise has to do is claim that teams like Alabama are afraid to go to Boise. Maybe a few pollsters will buy that argument. But not anybody in the South. No way.

3. Smiles agrees that if Boise does the one-and-dones like Fresno does, they might lose those games in the home stadium of the other team. So they don't schedule them for that reason. That makes perfect sense. They just claim that it's unfair. You don't play, you can't lose. Okay, good logic.

4. Smiles states that the Boise way of scheduling is the best scenario for them, while other Boise posters like B4L agree that Boise needs more OOC games against tougher opponents. So who is right? Well, if you like beating down the #5 or #6 Pac team in the MAACO Bowl, Smiles is right. After all he says it works for them. 

5. So you beat down the Pac team in the MAACO Bowl and the whole time prior to the game and during the entire off season you just bitch and cry because Boise isn't being treated fairly by the AQs when it comes to scheduling. So far that has fooled much of the Boise fanbase so why not keep up the facade?

6. Boise State is a Top 10 team even though they don't play anybody in the Top 10. Sure, they'll buy that argument. Heck, most people do.  

7. Boise needs at least 11 wins during a season to be able to claim all of these things that Smiles says. So it makes perfect sense that they schedule one team that is better than decent, beat that team and start their arguments all over again every season. Who knows, they might be able to avoid an upset by a Nevada, go undefeated and then claim the right to go to a BCS bowl. That strategy seems to work.

8. So Boise gets the entire off season to prepare for the one team on their schedule that might turn some heads and a month to get ready for the MAACO Bowl to beat the Pac team that ends up getting stuck there. Makes sense to me. Smiles sense, that is.

You going to go ahead and purchase your MAACO Bowl tickets, Smiles? You might as well. It works for you, after all. Doesn't it? 

BT,
We are running in circles.  You ask a loaded question.  I answer it and you accuse me of spin.  Yeah, yeah, I know, I was born in Idaho, but just not yesterday.  Why should I play your stupid trap game?  I know exactly what you are trying to do, and it's specious reasoning.  Why not just admit that I see things differently, and drop the accusations?  Oh, but you sure get offended when I give it right back, don't you?
Thanks.  Have a wonderful day. 

You going to go ahead and purchase your MAACO Bowl tickets, Smiles? You might as well. It works for you, after all. Doesn't it? 

Poor geneh.  Trust me, I've got pictures to prove that we do a hell of a lot more than the MAACO bowl.  We admit that it's a consolation prize.  But I'm not complaining, not one bit.  3 trips, 3 wins.  Vegas is a great town, & we party like rockstars every time we get down there.  And the UNLV fans only want to talk basketball, can't blame them.  Your Yellow jackets only got El Paso.  No offense, but where would YOU rather spend a holiday?  Sucks to be you.

Nope, I've been to Phoenix twice, and we Broncos own that town.  Been to Atlanta, loved the civil war history and downtown.  I apologize if we treated the Bulldogs like we were with Gen. Sherman.  Ouch, that must hurt your feelings, well maybe not as a former GT fan.  Detroit, East Lansing this year, had a great time.  Hattiesburg, MS was a bit muggy, but a great southern town.  Went to DC, saw lots of sights in the nation's capital.  Next year, we'll spend a week on the Oregon & Washington coast fishing and camping before Seattle.  Let's see, Hawaii, twice.  Ft. Worth & Dallas.  Memphis, partied on Beale St and in Graceland on New Year's Eve.  San Diego, great place to spend the holidays, mild weather, fabulous gold courses.  And each time we got to cheer for our Broncos, loud and proud and not apologizing one second for the experience.

You can complain all you want.  Boise does play a weaker schedule, I admit it.  And I'd LOVE to see them play better, but I'm not stupid.  I can tell a sucker bet when I see it.  I can see a sucker like you trying to bait me.

Ain't happening.

Meanwhile, we Boise fans get built in vacations every year to some of the best places in America.  Yes, we treat those opening games like bowl games, well, because it's the only chance we get to play the tough talking bullies who otherwise wouldn't leave home.

And, yes, we usually win.  Don't like it?

So come to Boise and enjoy what we have to offer, it's a beautiful place in the Fall.

Eat your jeaous little heart out geneh.  Have a wonderful day.  Now excuse me, I have dinner reservations with my bride and a long skiing weekend ahead of me.