Ray Lewis Impact, and where he ranks?

He likes to do that and it's funny-not just because of the irony.


He only does it on opinion threads, like his opinion is the only one.

Lol. I'm enjoying this.

That's because you're too stupid to know any better.  You don't realize everyone is laughing at you.

Look.  I get it.  In your myopic and ill-informed opinion LT is the greatest LB because he used to steal the Redskin's lunch money and snapped Theisman's leg like an overcooked chicken wing, and since all he did was rush the QB, he racked up a lot of sacks.  You saw him play and you think he's the best ever.  Good for you.

My opinion is based on watching Dick Butkus beat blockers and destroy running backs with some of the most ferocious tackles ever witnessed on a football field.  Against Butkus, you were lucky to survive.  He defined the position.  I believe Ray Lewis is one of the greatest LBs because he's the only LB in history with more than 40 sacks and 30 INTs.  RB's confidence evaporated when they played against Lews (see Eddie George and Jerome Bettis).  A receiver's will to go over the middle vanished with Lewis in the middle.  He was faster than RBs and knew what play was being called before the QB.    I think Butkus and Lewis are 1 & 2 as far as the greatest LBs ever, but that is just my opinion based on personal observations.  And based on watching him play, in my opinion, I thought LT was a one trick pony.

But you think LT was the greatest ever.  I get it.  And you're entitled to your opinion.  No one can make you think any differently.  Your opinion, however, is only an opinion and not the deciding factor or the definitive bottom line; especially considering the source.  After all, I could agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.

Wacko, you never saw Butkus play boy. You're a kid. Stop pretending. Your cover got blown once you said that L.T. was a one dimensional player. You have 0 credibility. Stop embarrassing yourself. Getting emotional and calling names just makes you look like a scorned little girl because you're feelings are hurt. Man up and move on.

Also wacko, as far as you saying I'm being laughed at, I could care less. If you read others post, they seem to be questioning your intelligence and clowning you. The Fact that you're looking for validation on a message board just confirms that you're a kid with not much of a life. How sad. If the Ravens lose tomorrow, don't cause harm to yourself. I'm serious about that. Its only a game. 

Wacko, you never saw Butkus play boy. You're a kid. Stop pretending. Your cover got blown once you said that L.T. was a one dimensional player. You have 0 credibility. Stop embarrassing yourself. Getting emotional and calling names just makes you look like a scorned little girl because you're feelings are hurt. Man up and move on.

You can make a cased that he was only a pass rusher.

Anyone with 132.5 sacks and only 9 interceptions in a 13 year career can pretty much be labeled as a pass rusher.  Every LT in the game is thanking him for making them millionaires

Now Ray Lewis on the other hand is the ONLY LB in NFL history to have over 40 sacks and 30 interceptions.  Ray could be called a more complete player.

I saw LT play and he was a great pass rusher.  After all, it's what he excelled at.  He wasn't great in coverage.

According to profootball reference, LT is not credited with a pass defended, which I find hard to believe since it was a stat, even back in those tough days.  Ray Lewis is credited with 81 passes defended.

Stop pretending you know what you're talking about.

Ay nitemare, L.T. was also able to hit and stop RBs in the backfield and chase them down from behind. That's 2 aspects that he taken away from an offense. That's not what "1 dimensional" defensive players too. He could also cover TEs when he needed to because of his speed. I'm just gonna go aheasd and that L.T. was faster than Ray Lewis and many other great LBs throughout history from watching the comparisons with the past greats before my time on films and video clips.


Also, you know as well as I do that the NFC in the 80s was a decade of power running teams that did not throw nearly as much as today except for the 49ers in the NFC West. That easily explains why L.T. had only 9 ints for that era which is very impressive for a LB in the the 80s NFC East.  132.5 sacks and 33 forced fumbles and 9 picks in that era even with the injuries he played through speaks to the caliber of a player L.T. was.

Also, you know as well as I do that the NFC in the 80s was a decade of power running teams

Right.  Whatever you say, Skippy. 

Also, you know as well as I do that the NFC in the 80s was a decade of power running teams that did not throw nearly as much as today except for the 49ers in the NFC West. That easily explains why L.T. had only 9 ints for that era which is very impressive for a LB in the the 80s NFC East.  132.5 sacks and 33 forced fumbles and 9 picks in that era even with the injuries he played through speaks to the caliber of a player L.T. was.

You're right, it was more of a running decade, but that didn't stop LB's like Rich Milot (Redskins), who played a grad total of 9 years at the ROLB position from having 14 interceptions,  Hell, Neil Olkewicz had 6 during the 80's

You seem to think that being a running decade explains away LT's lack of interceptions.  The reason he didn't have more was because he was always rushing the QB instead of dropping back in coverage.

The reason LT had to run down RB's was because they were always running past him when he was "trapped" while rushing the passer.
 
And LT, in his prime, and Ray Lewis in hiis prime was faster than LT,  You only have tow watch Ray running down Tiki Barber from sideline to sideline in SB35 to realize that, but you won't

You've been schooled again, Grasshopper

You make this so easy nitemare, milot and olkewicz didn't have nearly the number of pressures or sacks that L.T. did which makes you bringing those players up in this discussion laughable an a desperate attempt at a reach. Lol.


L.T. DID run down RBs though didn't he? He did stop RBs in the backfield too didn't he(which you conveniently ignored when I brought this up in my previous response).

L.T. was also unblockable man to man and even double teamed and triple teamed most times.  Ray Lewis was tough to block, but he COULD be blocked man to man at times. Its true that both were similar at making plays in the open field. I'll give you that.

For you to say that Ray in his prime was faster than L.T. is just dishonest.

L.T.'s fastest 40 time was 4.5.

Ray's was 4.53.

Saying that Ray was faster than L.T. because he was able to chase down Tiki Barber in the superbowl from sideline to sideline is completely laughable. I saw that and saw L.T. do the same thing. Ive always thought that L.T. was slightly faster and the numbers back this up.


Your opinions seemed to be biased because you are a Ravens which isn't a shock.

I'm a SKINS fan though. L.T. ended our franchise QBs career. I have no bias, but just my views and opinions.

Am I saying that Ray Lewis was overrated? Of course not. He's one of the greatest MLB's of all time.

Do I think Ray is great? YES.

Do I think L.T. was greater? YES.


You should leave this grasshopper alone because he keeps stepping on you. 


Good luck to your Ravens today though. Should be a great game.
 

Also nitemare, you said that L.T. wasn't credited with a pass defensed? Yet he still had 9 picks? That sounds to me like when he had a chance to intercept a pass he never dropped the ball huh? You just keep on assisting my points.

Perhaps stopping plays/drives in the backfield was more important? 3 Defensive MVP awards, 1 NFL MVP award in that era of dominant Hall Of Fame players and 2 super bowl titles says it does.  

You make this so easy nitemare, milot and olkewicz didn't have nearly the number of pressures or sacks that L.T. did which makes you bringing those players up in this discussion laughable

You complete dolt.
You said LT didn't have a lot of INTs because it was a running league.  Remember when you made that uber ridiculous statement, Grasshopper?  Nite simply proved you wrong...again.  And you wonder why we're laughing at you?  Now that's funny.   Wait.  I understand. You must have ADD.  Sorry for laughing at you.

So, these other LBs had INTs.  They didn't have as many sacks, but they actually had coverage responsibilities.  Something the one dimensional LT didn't have.  That's why he didn't have any INTs.  Hell, the ones he had were batted up by Leonard Marshal.  It didn't hurt that HOFer Harry Carson was on the other end.  LT rushed the QB.  That's all he did.  You never really saw him play, did you?  Did you, Grasshopper?  

Name calling nitemare? Now you're sounding like a scorned little girl too. YES it was a running league, but YOU said yourself that L.T. had 0 zero passes defensed? Yet he still had 9 picks? YOU also said that L.T. wasn't good in coverage and also said all he did was rush the qb? Well, based on your logic, that mean s that the MINNIMAL times that L.T. dropped back in coverage and had a chance at a pick, he never dropped the ball. That's based on what YOU said and what the numbers say. Again, if you don't think thats a positive for L.T. then you're the dolt.

0 passes defensed and 9 ints for a OLB that YOU said only rushes the QB isnt impressive? That doesnt prove my point and hurt your argument? That just adds to the fact of how VERSATILE he was. Lol

You and others are laughing at me? sounds like you're terrified and need validation. I don't see anyone coming to your aid except amateur posters that are Ravens fans who have been the ones getting laughed at by numerous posters in this thread. You're just another biased whiney feminine Ravens fan. That's what grasshopper .

 

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Im thinking they killed the lights to drive up beer and consesion sales this one is over. Baltimores to lose and i dont see it happening from here.

First you say this......

Name calling nitemare? Now you're sounding like a scorned little girl too.

the this......

I don't see anyone coming to your aid except amateur posters that are Ravens fans who have been the ones getting laughed at by numerous posters in this thread. You're just another biased whiney feminine Ravens fan. That's what grasshopper .

Classic scorned Redskin's fan. No strike year...and another no title season for them. Ravens have been in the league for 17 years and alreasy have 2 LEGIT Super Bowl titles.....With this pace we should catch and then pass the Deadskins fairly quck.

Classic scorned Redskin's fan. No strike year...and another no title season for them. Ravens have been in the league for 17 years and alreasy have 2 LEGIT Super Bowl titles.....With this pace we should catch and then pass the Deadskins fairly quck.

Let's not act like the Ravens were some expansion team.  The year before they became the Ravens they were the Browns.  Two years removed from an 11-5 season.  You insult everyone's intelligence when you say the Ravens have only been in the league for 17 years.  The team/ organization has only known as the ravens for 17 years.... prior to that they were the Browns! 

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"Nuff said. I don't know why this novice keeps trying. I already told him that he's a virgin at this.

He also keeps mentioning a strike season. The SKINS won their last Superbowl in 1991. They went 14 - 2, got a bye, played a divisional game, played NFC title game, then played and won Superbowl. Sounds like a FULL season to me. I don't even think he knows what a strike season is like other things he keeps trying to bring up. I don't even respond to him anymore because he doesn't seem to know what he's talking about. Its boring.