Higher Health Care Rates Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

I like how high insurance rates are now Obama's fault and not the insurance companies

It is his and every other lawyer's fault the insurance rates are high.  Having to pay enourmace amounts of money because of stupid lawsuits is what has caused the rates to go up.  A company cannot stay in business if they keep paying out more than they take in, or did you not learn that? 

Now let's look at the cost.  Let's just say the average Government subsidy is $8,000. per family X what 50 million, That would be an additional burden on the taxpayers of $400,000,000,000.00 per year.  Where is that money coming from? 

Generals are paid by the government, but not run by the government.  George Bush didn't come up with any strategy to win the war.  President Obama didn't come up with the intel or plan to kill Bin Laden.

So..... an army general's boss isn't the president? Our entire military is it's own seperate entity, all on it's own? Just funded by the government?

The only way to imporve medicare is to take it away from the government and give it to private companies.  So your explanation makes no sense.

Nope.  The way to improve it is to model it after some other countries' whose systems work well and expand it to everyone.

Name 1.

Schools, the military, the post office.

Yes it is.  What you are saying is take a perfectly good system and let the government ruine it.

See, the problem is you consider it a perfectly good system.  When we do away with that false claim, we get to the real point.  The system in place is broken.  Either it needs to be reformed as is, or it needs to be changed drastically (like universal healthcare). 

Have you driven around lately?  The roads in America suck and the bridges are nearly falling down.

So what's the solution?  The point is without government you either don't get roads or you pay an assload for them. 

The military is powerful, because it's not run by the government.  It's run by Generals.  In fact, when the government got involved, (lets invade Iraq because of WMD) it failed.  The police is not run by the government.

Um...yeah.  It's hard to argue with someone who doesn't even live in reality.  Hint: both the military and police are run by the government.  Extra hint: the president is the commander-in-chief of the military.

The government, yes.

OK, so you think America sucks worse than most countries.  Good to know.

Inaccurate.  Access to it has nothing to do with how good it is.

And the access isn't about the system.  It's about you making more money.  The system is fine.  You just need to get a better job, which would entail an education.  It's not easy.  It's hard work.  It's not for the lazy.

First, I have a bachelor's and a good job.  We're not talking about me here.  Second, access to the system definitely is an indicator of its quality.  A fantastic system where only 30% of people have access is a shjtty system.  A very good system where only 66% of people have access is a worse system than a good system where 100% of people have access.

It is his and every other lawyer's fault the insurance rates are high.  Having to pay enourmace amounts of money because of stupid lawsuits is what has caused the rates to go up.  A company cannot stay in business if they keep paying out more than they take in, or did you not learn that? 

This has already been brought up and debunked.  Lawsuits don't cause much of our high insurance rates.  They do contribute, but only a very small percentage.

. Anytime there is insurance involved it needs to be regulated in some way, shape or form.

I will always disagree with regulation in a free market system.

So..... an army general's boss isn't the president?

Techncally the President is the Commander and Chief.  But that is title alone.  Clinton didn't even serve.

 Our entire military is it's own seperate entity, all on it's own? Just funded by the government?

Yes.  Accept for one thing.  They need the President and congress to declare where they are used.  But the everyday running and strategies and tactics are separate.

But the everyday running and strategies and tactics are separate.

Cool, just like the every-day running and strategies and tactics of schools and the Medicare department, etc. are separate.  So, in essence, our government doesn't run anything.  Awesome.

The way to improve it is to model it after some other countries' whose systems work well and expand it to everyone

I disagree.  You can't take a plan that works for a different country and expect it to work for America.  Different economy... different demographics... different culture.

Schools, the military, the post office.

America's education is crap.  We're way behind.  The military is separate.  The post office is a joke.

So what's the solution? 

I told you the solution.  The solution is the economy, and the American culture not the healthcare system.  America's economy is in the crapper.  America's education system is in the crapper.  America's culture of eating themselves to death is a problem.

You scoff when I say laziness is a problem.  But the fact is, America has grown fat off of fast food and lazy off of "no child left behind".  So no only do we have health problem with obesity, but we aren't smart enough to get a good education and better jobs.  Not to mention our imigration problem.  I'm not saying people shouldn't come, but hell, most of them aren't registered and don't pay taxes.  So now you're saying I've got to pay for 6,000,000 illegal imagrents who don't pay taxes yet use your healthcare system for free?

Come on man.  I understand you want everyone to be able to have the same type of healthcare.  But that just isn't realistic in America.

That's medicare.  duh.

again, fact - Medicare is covering seniors at a cheaper rate than any private insurers could.  By simplifying the paper work, huge savings have gone to paying for health care and not administrative garbage.

Tell me what you believe the problem is with Medicare?  What is wrong with SS?

Cool, just like the every-day running and strategies and tactics of schools and the Medicare department, etc. are separate.  So, in essence, our government doesn't run anything.  Awesome.

LOL

So what you're telling me, is that I have to pay for some dude, who doesn't have the self control to stop eating donuts and get off his ass and walk around the block?  That's bullshit**** man.  America as a society simply make bad decisions.  I'm not paying for that.  I'm taking care of myself.

Tell me what you believe the problem is with Medicare?  What is wrong with SS?

Medicare doesn't give the same standard of healthcare as my plan.

Social Security is bankrupt because the government used that money of other obligations.  By the time I retire, I won't get anything from social security. 

Cool, just like the every-day running and strategies and tactics of schools and the Medicare department, etc. are separate.  So, in essence, our government doesn't run anything.  Awesome

Inaccurate.  Medicare is completely government run.  Government makes all the decision.

And again, our schools are shit****.

You have good intentions, but everyone can't be saved.  I suggest you save youself and let everyone else save themselves.  It's the American way.  Your plan to save everyone is going to pull us all under.

I disagree.  You can't take a plan that works for a different country and expect it to work for America.  Different economy... different demographics... different culture.

Sure, so you see what works elsewhere and tailor it to our situation the best you can. 

America's education is crap.  We're way behind.  The military is separate.  The post office is a joke.

Our education isn't crap.  It does need improvement, but it's still turning out normal, fairly well-informed people.  The militart is part of the government.  The post office is not a joke.

I told you the solution.  The solution is the economy, and the American culture not the healthcare system.  America's economy is in the crapper.  America's education system is in the crapper.  America's culture of eating themselves to death is a problem.

That doesn't remotely respond to my question.  You said the roads suck.  I asked what your solution was.  There are only two solutions to the government doing a bad job: fix the way government does it or take it away from government and do it privately.  As I said, with most services the government provides you'll either not get the service or you'll pay a lot more for it, if it's not run by the government.

You scoff when I say laziness is a problem.  But the fact is, America has grown fat off of fast food and lazy off of "no child left behind".

I don't scoff when you say laziness is a problem. I scoff when you blame random things that have nothing to do with laziness on it.  There's no question we have an obesity/fast food problem. 

I'm not saying people shouldn't come, but hell, most of them aren't registered and don't pay taxes.

Not true.  Actually most of them do pay taxes, and it's estimated as a whole they pay in as much as they take out of the system.

Come on man.  I understand you want everyone to be able to have the same type of healthcare.  But that just isn't realistic in America.

Sadly it's probably not, but mostly because of ignorance like what you display.

So what you're telling me, is that I have to pay for some dude, who doesn't have the self control to stop eating donuts and get off his ass and walk around the block?  That's bull**** man.  America as a society simply make bad decisions.  I'm not paying for that.  I'm taking care of myself.

What I'm telling you is you live in society.  That means working together with others.  That means contributing to the society.  Sometimes it means helping people you don't think deserve help.  Right now you're paying for some dude who doesn't have self-control to stop eating doughnuts and get off his ass and walk around the block.  All I'm saying is with a better system, you could be paying less for him.

If you call waiting for 6 to 9 months to get a doctor's appointment, no longer covered if past a certain age on certain items like pace makers because you are no longer productive to the society, having to wait long periods of time to have operations, which may lead to emergency care, then I guess those systems work. 

The problem with those systems is they don't work, ask the Snow Birds in Florida why they come down,  It's not only because of the weather, it's also because they get better health care here than they do back in Canada.  If you ever bothered to check with people living under the socialist medicine, they will tell you it sucks. long waits, and 3 minutes, if lucky with the doctor.  Why? it doesn't pay and the doctor's have to see about 20 patients per hour just to break even with their overhead that is why most doctors in the states limit the number of medicare patients they have because the fee they are paid, doesn't cover the cost their staff spends waiting on them plus the rest of their overhead.  If that is all they saw they wouldn't be able to pay a staff, building rent, utilities, their malpractice insurance, student loans and still make a profit.  And people don't go into business or practice not to make a living. 

Inaccurate.  Medicare is completely government run.  Government makes all the decision.

Good.  Then so is our military.  Glad you finally came around.  Now, you think the government does well with the military, but it doesn't do so well with other programs.  So, the solution isn't necessarily to end the government's running of it.  Another solution (usually better) is to improve the government's handling of the program, since you agree they can run a program well.

You don't have $10,000.00 you say?  Why?  Living on walefare?  No job?  Are you old and didn't do anything in your youth to save for retirement?

The cheapest way to pay for their care is universal coverage, for those who have a beating heart.  For you, like that the democrat from FL said, is for them to die quickly.

What was not true is that you imply that we do not have waits.  What you do not understand is that each provinces can get wait times quickly because of the universal coverage.  They can also begin working on reducing the times because it affects 99% of the people.  Canada is willing to pay for what they want - unlike the right having not done that for 30 years.

You also ignore that most Canadians would riot if told that they would have to go to a private insurer plan.

I love it when the govt tells people it is making it better for them but is really making it worse.

When I was working as a part time museum curator, I was making about $1,200 per month before withholdings without any fringe benefits. I had to have private health insurance which cost over $400 per month and was so basic it covered virtually nothing with enormous deductables. I sincerely considered dropping all health insurance because, if anything serious happened to me, even with the insurance I had, I would essentially have to declare bankruptcy anyway.

I am in a differenc situation now, thank goodness, but many aren't. Please tell me how your so-called Obamacare has hurt those who are still in the condition I used to be in? 

  You said the roads suck.  I asked what your solution was.  There are only two solutions to the government doing a bad job: fix the way government does it or take it away from government and do it privately.

Perfect!

 Actually most of them do pay taxes, and it's estimated as a whole they pay in as much as they take out of the system.

I'm not talking about green carded imagrents.  I'm talking about illegal imagrents.  If you don't have a SS# or a green card, you don't pay taxes.

Sadly it's probably not, but mostly because of ignorance like what you display.

Inaccurate.  It's mostly because America's cultrue has become a culture of begging for handouts instead of picking yourself up by your boot straps and getting yourself out of trouble.

All I'm saying is with a better system, you could be paying less for him.

The less you pay, the worst healthcare you get.