NCAA Investigations

no.  the agency that needs to be held to a higher standard is the NCAA because it is in fact NOT a law enforcement agency.    

sorry, i disagree completely with that. why should being law enforcement, and having the power to arrest and shoot people, entitle u to a LESSER degree of scrutiny?

one group can ruin people's lives with corruption, the other can hurt the feelings of sports fans. u really think the latter is a more serious issue?

lol sorry, husker, i was so stunned by red's reply that i missed your post :)

The NCAA has "supposedly self reported their own mistake.  Did they or did someone else show it to thme so the self reported?  I don't know.  but I don't recall any other time where the NCAA has openly admitted they f**ked up.  That opens the door for any and all kinds of possibilities.  If they were overzealous on one case, it's fair to assume they may have done something else wrong on these other cases as well.  For decades the NCAA has acted like they walk on wateer, and now even they have admitted to screwing up.  Look at what the sanctions have cost USC alone.  I would think it's only right and proper for the school (if not the NCAA just to protect it's omnipotent butt) to review their respective cases. 

Even if Ohio State was wrong, it would behoove them to review the case just to keep the NCAA honest.  Why?  Look at what it cost the school.  If the school found one error, then said school has every reason to throw the case out.  Plus, it will force the NCAA to review their guildlines in a more stringent manner.

Ohio State has accepted their sanctions.  They knew full well going into 2012 they would not and could not contend for a Conference much less National Title.

If USC, North Carolina, or others don't like their sanctions, then they are free to appeal their sanctions.  If they then don't agree to those sanctions, they are more than welcome to leave the NCAA.   
 
They agreed to abide by the rules at hand.  If caught in violation of those rules, then they also agreed to the NCAA sanctions unless they appealed.  And if they appealed, they were brought under a board of their peer programs.  All rules and a part of the process that each and every school agreed to be a part of when they signed on to be a member of the NCAA.

Any crying aftwards is just that.  Crying. 

Don't cheat, and/or give any reason for the enforcement staff to come in and lay down sanctions on your program.  If you don't feel it is necessary to abide by the rules at hand, then fully accept the punishment when caught. 

I think the NCAA is the one that needs to be investigated. I would love to know how miami got away with hoarding all that talent they came up with in the 80's and 90's. I've never seen anyone get away with grabbing that much talent except Oklahoma back in the 70's and they got busted. They need to clean house on the NCAA. Heck even with someone like shapiro on the NCAA side they won't bust miami. They have all the evidence they need if they wanted to take  them down. Oh i forgot abbout SMU there another one, but they also got busted big time, but not miami.

OC, it is hard to appeal to an organization that acts as judge, jury and executioner.  It's a lot like voting in North Korea.

I think the NCAA is the one that needs to be investigated. I would love to know how miami got away with hoarding all that talent they came up with in the 80's and 90's. I've never seen anyone get away with grabbing that much talent except Oklahoma back in the 70's and they got busted. They need to clean house on the NCAA. Heck even with someone like shapiro on the NCAA side they won't bust miami. They have all the evidence they need if they wanted to take  them down. Oh i forgot abbout SMU there another one, but they also got busted big time, but not miami.

You're right.  It is 100% the NCAA's fault that teams want to cheat, and then do cheat. 

Instead of investigating programs that have been sanctioned more times than you eat breakfast on a Monday, lets keep pointing the finger at the NCAA and not the programs doing the cheating.

Oklahoma got busted because of Charles Thompson and a cocaine ring.  I would assume you would know that.  That and the freshman free-for-all dorm that they had that was just begging for trouble.  OU was lucky.        

OC, it is hard to appeal to an organization that acts as judge, jury and executioner.  It's a lot like voting in North Korea

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And all 120+ schools have agreed to that situation.

Don't make it a North Korea situation in which they don't have a choice.  The schools have a choice, and actually pay dues to be a part of that sanctioning environment.

Everybody is free to leave and/or build a new organization.  They are also able to put forth new ideas for rules to be governed under.  It is so far and away from a North Korea situation it isn't even comparable.

Any other ridiculous scenarious you would like to compare?      

    

This is an unreasonable response.  You don't pay your dues, then you can't play against other NCAA teams, so you might as well just shut down your athletic program.  OK, maybe North Korea is a bit over the top...How about Mafia instead?

"Mr. Emmert wants his money ya see, or next time it won't be your schedule we re-arrange!"

The organization is a joke and will eventually become a victim of conference reallignment.   

This is an unreasonable response.  You don't pay your dues, then you can't play against other NCAA teams, so you might as well just shut down your athletic program.  OK, maybe North Korea is a bit over the top...How about Mafia instead?

"Mr. Emmert wants his money ya see, or next time it won't be your schedule we re-arrange!"

The organization is a joke and will eventually become a victim of conference reallignment.

You do realize that the NCAA receives $0 from college football, right?

The NCAA is a joke because the schools have allowed it to happen. 

But hey.  Let us all keep pointing the finger at the wrong party.  The NCAA is some evil 3rd world organization that is here on our planet to promote the death of college sports.  Especially football. 

Mr. Emmert himself, receives hundreds of thousands from all the cheating teams.  (Obvious sarcasm)

Pathetically, the media has completely fooled the masses into believing the NCAA is an actual entity.  An entity that has some fairy tale power over the schools that have hired them.

That fairly tale doesn't exist. 

It is up to the schools and athletic departments to make the tough choices.  Time to give them grief.    

      

It even gets worse.  You have people at the NCAA that have a vested interest in the outcome of their own investigations.  For example; Emmert came from the University of Washington, which has had a very competitive relationship with the University of Oregon for years.  Now, as the head guy at the NCAA, Emmert conducts an investigation on the University of Oregon for an actions that is technically a very minor infraction (if at all), and which is not uncommon at other NCAA schools.  Instead of recusing himself from the proceedings (due to a conflict of interests), he stands behind the investigation that has been lingering forever.  As we all know, the affect of "lingering" investigations on programs and their recruiting, is not insignificant.  The main beneficiary of this becomes the other schools in the conference (ie. University of Washington).

Seems pretty sketchy.

Husker is 100% right.  tOSU broke the rules and accepted the punishemt, there is not need to do anything more than accept them and move on with next year. 


The NCAA is only what the members made it and nothing more.  The members run the NCAA, take a look at the board.  If the members have a problem with what the NCAA is doing they have the power to make change. 


It even gets worse.  You have people at the NCAA that have a vested interest in the outcome of their own investigations.  For example; Emmert came from the University of Washington, which has had a very competitive relationship with the University of Oregon for years.  Now, as the head guy at the NCAA, Emmert conducts an investigation on the University of Oregon for an actions that is technically a very minor infraction (if at all), and which is not uncommon at other NCAA schools.  Instead of recusing himself from the proceedings (due to a conflict of interests), he stands behind the investigation that has been lingering forever.  As we all know, the affect of "lingering" investigations on programs and their recruiting, is not insignificant.  The main beneficiary of this becomes the other schools in the conference (ie. University of Washington).  


This is just a joke.  Do you really think Emmert is going after Oregon to help Washington?  By the way buying players is not a minor infraction and that is what Oregon did.  

Are they back in ohio??

So the NCAA needs to be held to a higher standard than our law enforcement agencies?

A higher standard even though they cannot arrest people, put them in prison, utilize subpoenas, force their testimony in front of a grand jury, or much less excercise any reason to make people tell them the truth?

Higher statndard in that they can irrefutably demonize the character and reputation of a school IF they do wrong.  If they screw up.  Even now if the NCAA would admit that they screwed up in the USC investigation--the damage is done.  so, yes a higher standard.   

OC, it is hard to appeal to an organization that acts as judge, jury and executioner.  It's a lot like voting in North Korea

And all 120+ schools have agreed to that situation.


And they should agree unless/or until the NCAA screws up.  Then it would be appropriate to review where the error is or what transpired for the mistake they make even to the point of reviewing old cases to make sure everythinng was done fairly.  

one group can ruin people's lives with corruption, the other can hurt the feelings of sports fans. u really think the latter is a more serious issue?


Sorry FortheLuz--One group can also do damage to a school that cannot be measured in dollars and cents--if the screw up.  Hurting the feelings of the fans is about as stuuuuuuuupid of a response as you could make.    

ya, the NCAA is capable of way worse than imprisoning people for crimes they didn't commit and killing innocent people.

but i'm the stupid one.

From what I read, Oregon didn't buy a player, they paid for a recruiting service which was used by other schools as well.  Huge difference.

As for Emmert, Do you know for sure that he wouldn't stack the deck?  Especially keeping in mind the way that other investigations have gone under his watch.  Don't be naive.

Oklahoma got busted because of Charles Thompson and a cocaine ring.  I would assume you would know that.  That and the freshman free-for-all dorm that they had that was just begging for trouble. 

That's simply not true.  The probation was announced in December 1988.  The NCAA investigation started in the 1984-85 school year and ultimately stretched all the way to February 1988.  Thompson was arrested in February 1989, a full year later.

And they should agree unless/or until the NCAA screws up.  Then it would be appropriate to review where the error is or what transpired for the mistake they make even to the point of reviewing old cases to make sure everythinng was done fairly.  

I've always thought there should be some kind of independent appeal mechanism....maybe ex-administrators, school presidents or something like that.  The member schools could easily vote this in if they were so inclined.  The NCAA acts as a watchdog, but just who is watching the watchdog?   

Oklahoma got busted because of Charles Thompson and a cocaine ring.  I would assume you would know that.  That and the freshman free-for-all dorm that they had that was just begging for trouble.




Thats not what got OU put on probation. What got OU put on probation back then, it was something else. I could be wrong but what i think got OU put on probation was Switzer gave a female Athlete Air fair to go home for Christmas and the NCAA found out about it. Thats when Switzer said he had enough of all these screwed up rules and quit.