The Cas... Came and now its time....

Ok.. You all know how I feel about this guy and I have listed plenty of reasons why he should have been fired back since 2000,

So, 2013 is the last of his contract.. Let's hear your reason's why he should stay or should just quit now and let someone else handle 2013...

Has Cashman ever laidout any hints that he may be looking to get out at the end of his contract?  I seem to remember hearing that somewhere but can't remember for sure.

He lacks any sort of creativity at all to adapt to a changing landscape in baseball. Evidently he is a female as he loves the long ball like all the other chicks who dig the long ball. He must go and get someone fresh to start the new chapter, the amount of $$ he has wasted on longshot old vets is insane. Any GM with half a brain and the money he has had at his disposal would have run out of fingers for rings...he sux!!

I think Yankees will go in a different direction.  With this new 189million dollar limit they wil start with a new fresh face. 

I agree with Necgrims.  What was Cashman most creative Trade or Move.  I cant even think of one.  Not his best.  Its different.  He tried to be somewhat Creative with the Montero and Pineda trade but we got 2 guys that got hurt.  So he loses on this one. 

He has been good with the trade deadline stuff, plus he's good at the low risk, high reward type signings.  Don't forget, though, if he has a budget and if his hands are tied, we are saying he is the problem, but it's also on ownership.  If the Yanks find some way to get out from under Rodriguez's contract, then the future is even brighter with tons of cash to spend.  $189 million can buy a lot of talent --and even more when $50 million of it is not tied up with 2 players.

hes far from perfect, but i  do think hes above average. he also needs to deal with the constant medeling of the steinbrenners. the arod deal? the soriano deal? hes also found great players for little commitment. say what you want about Nick Swisher, but he was very productive, a total bargin until now, and we got him for wilson betamit. he signed kuroda, he got ichiro and ibanez. hes built up the farm system to the point where we can actually either develop some talent or trade it for ML players. basically, our farm is an asset rather then just there. again, hes not prefect, but i do think we will regret it if we let him go. the devil we know is better then the devil we dont. 

Time for him to go! He's sucking it up big time these days!

Well.., if teams operated under the guise known as a known quantity as opposed to an unnown quantity, you would never have any managerial changes or you wouldnt having the Coaching carousel that is the NFL.  I will admit Swisher is a good example of a good trade. However, Im hardpressed to think of another and for as long as he has been this teams GM, his is not a good track record.  Trades are one of the major berometers of success for a Baseball GM ...and Cashmans trade record plain out sucks.  His world series year in 2009 was due to an open check book and the go ahead to sign CC, Tex and AJ.  GM's around the league could only dream of a comfy situation like that.  Dodgers have it going now, and look whats happened, they are favored to win it all.  Can you imagine Billy Beane with a 200 million dollar payroll?  When you think in terms like this you know Cashman's time is up.  Time to move in a different direction.

I think after a period of time, a new direction is sometimes needed, but I have to say that I would be hesitant to let him go now.  My take on the teams with the best GMs (based on farm system development and shrewdness of trades);   Tampa, Oakland, St. Louis, Cincinnati, San Francisco.   Not overly impressed with anyone else on a year-over-year basis, but next in might be KC and Texas.   We have the 11th best minor league system in baseball and that's with having lower draft picks every year.  Since Cashman is the leader of that part of the ship, then he gets the overall credit.  As far as trades go for him, his biggest successes are the trade deadline ones over the past few years.  The others (Vasquez, Randy Johnson, Granderson, Pineda/Campos, Swisher) as the bigger deals, are a mixed bag.  Jury is still out on Pineda/Campos.   I'm not overly defending the guy, I just think he is in mid-plan.  I'm not sure how ownership can judge him this year by giving him restrictions on multi-year deals.  On the other hand, they could be clearing the salary slate in order to bring a new GM in the system or to promote from within (Oppenheimer)

I have to say I waited to see how the board would vote and I am in shocked over how many want him to stay..Maybe Redsox or Met fans have come here and voted yes?.. Who knows, but you for those who have posted, you all have great thoughts...

My biggest issues with Cashman is his EGO.. and what I mean by this is simply being in charge of the most story sports franchis comes with the media always breaking down the moves he makes.. For 14 years you can sum them all up as low impact with very little chance of backfiring on you..

Is this what fans what from their GM?.. Not me!!.. 14 years at the helm and was handed the BLUE PRINTS on how to wind and build a dynasty by Stick and Watson.. Did he use it?.. NOPE.. Did he decide that is easy to spend the money and not have to worry about productions, YES.. but how many GM's in baseball have this advantage over the past 14 years?.. Theo did but he won two WS and spent less than 1 billion to do that...

Someone mentioned Billy Beane and what he could do with 189 million dollars.. I go one better, how about 3 billion dollars in 14 years?.. or how about the guy I wanted 14 years ago named Dan Dombrowski of the Tigers?.. Anyone care to guess how many Ws flags are flying at the stadium if we had him as the GM?..

Most Gm's in BB have a 5 year plan to re-build or to re-tool an organization.. What has Cashman built in that time?.. Where are all the draft picks he made that amounted to anything?... Really, all this time and you didnt think about replacing Giambi? or Cone, Pettitte, Clemens?.. Where are the players to replace the the original core 4?.. Still not here yet.. WHY is WHAT I WANT ANSWERS on.

Until Damon took over look how the minor league system did in terms of winning?.. Until 2009, they finished at the bottom and now they are winning.. in fact they are winning allot.. So in 2013, are the Yankees going to win at all? No becasue we dont have the right players ready from past drafts to make that happen.. Cashman didnt trade for the players to replace those that will be needed in the future..

Is it me or is this what a GM is suppose to do?.. I am sorry, but your getting paid allot of money and from what I see, Cashman put his HUGE EGO in front of all of this not to have anything backfire on him.. Well, if the kitchen is too hot then please get the hell out and let someone else handle it..

Spring training is a week away and still nothing to help this ball club win the division in 2013.. maybe this is all for the best. and if it takes a 500 or sub 500 NY Yankee team to finally get rid of him, then I can live with it..

Lou--

You really make some great points---but the only thing to consider here that is not the case on most other cities (outside of Boston) is the "win now" mentality.  I should have also put Dombrowski on my list of good GMs because he fits in the Texas/KC line ---but he also just gets to spend money.  Where are their in-house options too?

The Yanks replaced Cone with Mussina and Giambi with Tex.  As a fan base, would you have been satisfied with a rookie?  Look at what happened in 2008 with the rotation that was put out there.  No playoffs= Fan overreaction= Have to fill a new stadium= Spend Tons of $$$ on FAs=  WS championship.

What is going to happen here when we don't make the playoffs this year---which is highly likely to happen or even next?  There are guys on the way up who are going to slot in all over the OF, C, the rotation, the bullpen and potentially at 2B and 3B.  We are in the middle of the next wave of talent similar to the 90s, so when everyone is saying Cashman sucks, he has successfully built a team that will help this franchise sustain success with having the highest payroll.  As a baseball purest, I love this strategy and support it.  I have never been happier as a fan than in the 90s rooting for the Core 4 plus Williams, etc that were all products of this system.  And I will be just as happy in the middle of this decade rooting for Heathcott, Austin, Williams, Joseph, Sanchez, Montgomery, Phelps, etc.

We can't have it both ways--win now and build from within--yet the Yanks are actually doing that--which is impressive.  The key will be that the Yanks will hover for 2 years to get to the next level (ie. '93, '94 and '95).  I'm ready for it and I can't wait for the time as a fan to say that the Yanks are the 5th, 6th, 7th highest payroll, yet can hoist banner #28.

say what you want about Nick Swisher, but he was very productive, a total bargin until now, and we got him for wilson betamit. he signed kuroda, he got ichiro and ibanez.

Stevie, your points are well made and I agree, some moves are better than others but these are just recent moves.. What about the moves he didnt make that would anchor this franchise for years to come like Watson and Stick did?. Where are they on Cashmans resume?...

Kurdoda was a FA signing and maybe the best one he ever did but does this make Cashman a good GM over the past 14 years?..I can throw in Kei Igawa and the 40 million it took to sign him or Carl Pavano and ask about the 50 million that cost the Yankees...

If fans are going to look at the signing then that's one way to messure a GM but what seperates the men from the boys is the trades and the draft picks... how did Cashman do there?.

GM are suppose to use all of their resources to build a winning team.. Most Yankee fans dont view Cashman in this light. They see him as a guy who was abused by George and used his money to get the players they never developed.. Ok.. but how many GM in baseball had this luxury?.. one or two the most?.. Theo comes to mind but after that?.. and I am talking not recently like the Dodgers or Rangers, I am talkng the past 14 years.

Most GM's get 5 years to re-tool or re-build, Cashman had 14 years.. He build a great bull pen but how many of these pitchers never developed in the starting pitchers they were drafted to be?. and if anyone says Phil Hughes, I am sorry to say this but you need your head examined..

Where was the player to replace Giambi, Cones, Pettitte, Clemens Posada, Swisher etc?

How many other GM's  can we think about in BB if given 3 billion dollars and remain in charge for 14 years as a GM do you   think would do a better job than Cashman?

I can name 10 right now!.  but before we get into that.. have a look at this roster for 2013... This is what the past 14 years has come down to!!.. This is what I been saying for a very long time... This is why the CA$HMAN has to go period.. His plan hasnt worked and his business model may very well be the worse in all of baseball...

The Yanks replaced Cone with Mussina and Giambi with Tex

This is exactly my whole point.. He replaced another FA with another FA at a higher cost!. .that is why he spent 3 billions dollars..  This is a horrible business model to have. .you simply cant just buy one player after the next or the Yankees would  win every year.. you have to have home grown players and mix in some FA and MAKE TRADES!.. Where are the last two on this list for the past 14 years?....

Where is the plan put in place to replace these guys?.. Until Damon took over, there was none.. is this what you want out of the guy who operates your day to day business?.. can you imagine if Cashman ever worked for fortune 500 company .. he be fired with a business model like this...... .. As far as 2009, well wasnt he in charge since 1998?.. where was the plan during that time to make sure he has the right players needed to win.. Where are the trades to protect the players he has to replace or the draft picks to replace them?..  There was no plan.. This is what gets to me!!..

I ask myself over and over, what is it with him and trades and the one thing that always comes back as an answer is that trades sometimes back fire on you and that tells me your worried about protecting your ego on what others will say.. ok.. nothing wrong with that, but then you dont belong as the GM of the NY YANKEES!!. go to KC or Cleveland or to the Marlins and work for them.. in those towns you dont have to worry much. I would rather have a GM who takes chances and makes mistakes with trades and tries to develop players than a guy who pi$$ away BILLIONS... is it a wonder no one can afford to attend a Yankee game today?.. And worse, BB has the cap and now look at the mess this became!.. We are replacing players who are rejects from other teams!.. With a little planing from the past, surely you cant tell me we couldnt develop anyone to replace Ibanez?.. Oh my God, that only goes to show how bad of a GM Cashman really is!..

There are guys on the way up who are going to slot in all over the OF, C, the rotation, the bullpen and potentially at 2B and 3B

.dcone where was the plan 7 years ago? or the plan since 1998 thru 2006? and why when Cano and other leave we will ask these same questions over the next two years!..
 

 rooting for Heathcott, Austin, Williams, Joseph, Sanchez, Montgomery, Phelps, etc.

This is why we are in this position today.  I ask all Yankee fans to take notice on this.... Tex, A-Rod CC, and company contracts are coming up over the next few years... The Yankees have made a BIG PUSH towards pitching which they should.. Now look at what Damon and Newan are doing for the future in just 4 years! .. Dante Bichette jr drafted as a third basebmen to replaces A-Rod, Phelps , NiK Turly and Montgomery to replace Hughes, kuroda and Pettitte ...Tyler Hensley #1 pick last year year pitcher.... SS,, that still needs to be worked on.. Catcher.Romine, Sanchez, JP murphy..... OF Tyler, Mason, Flores, Heathcott, Almontte brothers,
1b I will bet the ranch they draft a stud first basemen out of college this year.  Are they all sure things? No, but look at the progress under Newman and Damon they have made! They are banging on the door for a chance. when was the last time we seen so much talent in the Yankee farm system?.. NONE I can think of while Cashman was in control...

Tyler or Heathcott could make the big club this year and right behind them, a whole bunch of good talent just waiting for the chance.. Now, where are the draft picks cahman made years prior to repace the players needed  today? Exactly!. NONE... IF Cashman planned this in the middle of 2003 thru 2008 we wouldn't have to worry about who is going to replace Swisher, Ibanez or Chavez or for that matter A-rod now!!

THANK THE GUYS who are in charge of drafting and player developement now Damon Oppenhiemer and Mark Newman who I see as the next Stick and Watson who have my vote to be the next GM of the Yankees!!.. cashman gets no credit for the new guys coming up thru the ranks..  His business model cost the Yankee franchise years from rebuilding the farm system and millions of dollars on empty players! Excellent Post Dcone, 5 stars to you on your points!!...

My last points (because from one Italian to another--we always have to have the last word):

1.  Cashman didn't make the deal for ARod, which is a deal that has a continuing impact on the current state of the Yanks
2.  Cashman is the head of baseball operations and he was instrumental in the development of the system with Oppenheimer and Newman.  He needs to get some of the credit for the organizational structure, because that's his job
3.  He really has only been "in full charge" for the past 7 years with more decision-making authority and it's been in that time frame that the Yanks have begun to build a better minor league system.

I give Opp and Newman full credit for making the right decisions, but Cashman deserves credit for setting up the actual structure and org plan.  He may or may not be around for the long term, and his moves do not always pan out, but I'll give him credit for some non-moves as much as some moves he's made.  Anyone glad that the Yanks didn't get Santana and waited it out for CC instead??

SLou, I agree and disagree.........14 years is a long time? How many WSC have the Yanks won in the last 14 years? I believe it is 3, and they are always in the playoffs.  This is baseball not basketball, you can not win it every year, just not possible. 

As we all know Cashman is in love with the HR but championships are won with pitching (not bad as of late, could be better), defense (can't remember the last time someone on the Yanks came up with a big defensive play when the money was on the table) and timely hitting (nonexistent, atrocious and abysmal are some things that come to mind). 

In short the Yanks lack grinders, guys that get their uniform dirty and would bite your head off for a win, too much style and not enough substance.  They will probably make the playoffs again this year and not get to the WS. Same ol' Same ol'  

Not sure who, other than Cashman, would be a good GM for the Yanks?...............any ideas?

its often very unfair to attack someone for what you wanted to happen and didnt. we simply dont know the circumstances. 

he traded for arod, which has had a huge impact on the Yankees. yea the second deal was a disaster, but since texas was paying half his salary, his first part was totally worth it.

he inked moose, he brought in giambi both solid moves. he nagged damon. he made pretty damn good middle of the season trades, like kerry wood. no he hasnt done many franchise changers, but keep in mind we had the best team in baseball for a decade, he didnt need to change the franchise.   

he's been here long enough, and has made enough moves, that eventually when you look long and hard enough you can pick out some not good, along with some good.  I'm on record as being ok with him.  The grass is always greener they say.

Dear Scilianlou:    The Steinbrenner Boys have to be replaced first.  They have been handling this team on the cheap for a while now, and yes, I understand all the reasons why.  However, the fact remains that any G.M. under this regime will have their hands tied.

                           Take a gander at what took place this Hot Stove season.  The team has become:  a)  One of the oldest teams in M.L.B..  b)   Multiple injured players  future professional abilities are now hanging in limbo.  c)  The starting pitching consistency in slots #4 and #5 are far from being guaranteed, while the #3 slot could implode secondary to age.  d)  The bullpen is weaker.  e)  The bench is weaker.  f)  The Farms rating has dropped.  g)  The roster is being replaced by no names, has beens and re-treads.  h)  The Front Office has made no ripples at the Winter or Owners meetings for the past 2 years.  i)  " Stars " are being scared away by proposals of short and cheap contracts. 

                           Taking a look at the big picture around the A.L. Conference, I think the 2013 Yankee team as constructed now, will win 85 and 88 games and miss the playoffs.  

                            It's time for more aggressive owners to purchase this team, then, a new innovative G.M. must be hired.  Anyone have $1 billion laying around?               soloking2