Celtics CLEARLY better without Rondo

Pats are in it every year. Bruins are Cup contenders every year and god knows the Sox are one or two big signings that work out from being back in it. I can't possibly imagine how frustrating it must be to be a sports fan in another city. 

^Sure hope you're not referring to Ryan Dempster there.  If he hangs that slider like he did here all his years here he's going to get lit up like a pinball machine in the AL East.

Yet another crappy Boston signing.  Something tells me Theo wasn't the problem there and that he left for a reason.  Too many egoes and too much garbage hype.  Oh, but I'm sure your titles back in '04 and '07 is your excuse for playing lethargic baseball the last five years.

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We haven't gone three years without a title in over a decade. We pop off titles like teenagers pop out pimples. BC Hockey won the national title last year. We're ALWAYS winning something. <br /><br />23-26. LOL. "Superteam!" 

this is the nba board lets talk about basketball

lets talk about the Celtics having 17 rings

lets talk about ... end of talk
 

Na, he won't need to sidekick anyone.  This Bulls team is playing quite well without him and he could be the guy that puts them over the top.  The problem the Bulls had in 2011 is that they were too reliant on Rose and his FG percentage suffered as a result.  Now that guys like Deng have proven they can carry an offense in his absense, they shouldn't be as reliant on him when he comes back this year.

It's not a matter of if Rose will get his ring.  It's a matter of when.  He's still only 24, and the Heat andSpurs will eventually disamantle when Duncan retires and when Miami will be forced to break up their team due to luxury tax restraints.

Rose is not ever going to be the best player on a team that wins a ring.  Not unless it is like that Pistons team where it was debatable who the best player was and they were just real deep.  The reason why Chicago is doing good now is the same reason why they were doing good when Rose won that writers voting award--They had the best rebounding in the league and the best interior defense in the league.  You could plug in a lot of guys in the Rose role and that guy wins the MVP because the team wins 62 games or whatever and that guy is the leading scorer on that team.  His MVP was as much a product of having the great rebounding/defense coupled with having basically no other perimeter scorer/playmaker to speak of.  

Wow, comparing titles to teenagers pimples.  Outstanding analogy.  LOL

In case any frontrunning little kids life yourself haven't figured it out yet, there's more to sports than winning titles.  There are also things called passion, pride, loyalty, and love for the game.  You seriously think I care that the Cubs sucked such balls in the 70's?  No, I don't.  And why should I?  I wasn't even born yet.  Hell, I probably don't even know half the Bears history since I'm not the biggest football fan in the world.  That's not going to keep me from supporting my team, is it?

You can pretend that you somehow had something to do with your teams' titles that occured before you were even born.  But, it's clear that a lot of fans in Boston are uneducated in terms of what it means to be a true fan.

Rose is not ever going to be the best player on a team that wins a ring.  Not unless it is like that Pistons team where it was debatable who the best player was and they were just real deep.  The reason why Chicago is doing good now is the same reason why they were doing good when Rose won that writers voting award--They had the best rebounding in the league and the best interior defense in the league.  You could plug in a lot of guys in the Rose role and that guy wins the MVP because the team wins 62 games or whatever and that guy is the leading scorer on that team.  His MVP was as much a product of having the great rebounding/defense coupled with having basically no other perimeter scorer/playmaker to speak of. 

Obviously living on the west coast you don't have a clue about Bulls basketball.

How about we just ask Thibs himself who his best player was in 2011.

Using this same logic, since the Knicks are build around defense, Carmelo Anthony isn't the team's best player simply because defense isn't his specialty.  I guess Allen Iverson's 2001 MVP was also a fraud since that team was also largely based on defense.  Not that I liked either of those players, I have the ability to put my hatred aside and realize that facts.

You too need to grow up and let your Rose hatred go.

How about we just ask Thibs himself who his best player was in 2011.

The Bulls won the Title in 2011? You can't win a championship with Rose as your best player. Zags is absolutely right in that regard. 

<blockquote class="QuoteMessage">You too need to grow up </blockquote>

You should take your own advice.

You can't win a championship with Rose as your best player.

I don't think you can determine that quite yet. This will be his 5th season in the NBA. He's still a young player with plenty of time to improve his game which is already pretty good. He led the Bulls to the ECF in his 3rd season.

He led the Bulls to the ECF in his 3rd season.

They beat the 37 win Pacers, and the Hawks who had a negative point differential. Before being embarassed by Lebron. Rose has never even beaten a mediocre team in the playoffs. Chicago making the ECF was far more a reflection on how awful the East was that year. 

Obviously living on the west coast you don't have a clue about Bulls basketball.

How about we just ask Thibs himself who his best player was in 2011.

Using this same logic, since the Knicks are build around defense, Carmelo Anthony isn't the team's best player simply because defense isn't his specialty.  I guess Allen Iverson's 2001 MVP was also a fraud since that team was also largely based on defense.  Not that I liked either of those players, I have the ability to put my hatred aside and realize that facts.

First.  I never said Rose's MVP was a fraud...but I am sure the strawman in your mind that did say it is having misgivings about making that statement.

Second, you are assuming somehow that I think Rose was not the best player on the Bulls based on your statement about Anthony.  You are tearing up the strawman once again.

Third, what I did say Rose would never be the best player on a team that wins the title (save for an ensemble squad like the Pistons back in 04ish season when they won).  In your rebuttal you brought up two different players that have never won a title so you are essentially helping to prove that statement.  If you want to dispute what I say then dispute what I say.  Don't make a bunch of assumptions.  What I said was, once again, the following...

Derrick Rose will never be the best player on a team that wins the title.

Dispute that statement if you disagree with it and stop disputing other things I never said.

You too need to grow up and let your Rose hatred go. 

So basically if I don't think Rose is good enough to be the best guy on a championship team then I "hate" him.  Interesting take.  

I don't think you can determine that quite yet. This will be his 5th season in the NBA. He's still a young player with plenty of time to improve his game which is already pretty good. He led the Bulls to the ECF in his 3rd season.

You can't determine anything for certain yet plus it is not up to me to determine.  I am just making a prediction based on what I know about the guy.  But let me ask you---If you had to bet $1000 on whether or not Rose would ever win the title as the best player on the team, would you bet "Yes" or "No"? 

You should take your own advice.

...Yet you have yet to bring anything positive to our CBS community.  Go back the so-called "Heat-Haters" thread and continue with your groundless trash talk with the Miami trolls.

lakerzrule,

We probably shouldn't waste our time with Zags and tfitz.  They are unable to talk about Rose objectively.  It's like they're obligated to pass the legacy of their BFF kmvenne and his hatred of Rose now that he no longer posts here.

We probably shouldn't waste our time with Zags and tfitz.  They are unable to talk about Rose objectively.  It's like they're obligated to pass the legacy of their BFF kmvenne and his hatred of Rose now that he no longer posts here.

What you say when you cannot counter an argument.

So basically if I don't think Rose is good enough to be the best guy on a championship team then I "hate" him.

My point exactly, considering he's still just 24 and has already taken a team to 61 wins.

What you say when you cannot counter an argument.

What's there to counter?  All tfitz and Zags did was make a groundless claim that Rose can never lead a team to a championship in spite of the fact he's only been in the league five years.  Jordan took seven to get his first title, and LeBron took nine.  Go back to your other thread, rodent.

Back to Boston,

There's a reason John Harbaugh won a Super Bowl this year and Belichick didn't.  He's too damn ornery.  The Patriots had their dynasty in 2004, but that was 2004.  If Tom Brady is indeed the best ever like some make him out to be, just making the Playoff doesn't cut it anymore.

Boston was "titletown" five years ago, but all they really have left is the Bruins.

When you're critical and saying our time has passed because we lost in the AFCCG, it tells you how relevant Boston still is. In the last two years we've been three wins from two Super Bowls. LOL. Talking like we're the Raiders or Jaguars. The Pats will ALWAYS be in contention with Brady. Bruins right there and as I said, Sox are always able to dip into that pouch of cash and sign players. Just a matter of signing the right one. How many cities have that luxury? New York? That's about it. All others WISH they had it like us.