Trading Revis A Must To Help WC Offense

Jets will trade Revis as they are in Cap Hell and must restock talent to compete in 2014.

I believe that Idzik will trade Revis to Detrot Lions for a #1 in 2013 and a conditional #1 in 2014.

In addition the Jets will no longer play 3-4 and move to a 4-3 defense as they will need to improve speed at LB position

With that said this is how the Jets will reload and be ready for 2014.

With 1st round pick at #4 for trade of Revis to Lions Jets will trade down to 8 and pick up 2nd round pick and then draft Georgia LB Jarvis Jones who is the most explosive defensive player in the draft. Regardless of possible spine injury Jets can not pass on Jones who has proven to be the most explosive defensive player in the 2012 college ranks and has had 2 monster seasons in a row and is in the Von Miller mold. I thought about Mingo but have decided that Jones is a more instinctive player.

Jets will then trade out of their #10 spot down to 19 and pick up another 2nd round pick. Jets with 19th pick will draft our future QB Arkansas Tyler Wilson. This pick makes absolute sense as Jets will be featuring West Coast Offense and Wilson is an accurate and strong armed QB and is as tough as nails and can start day one in 2013 as he played in NFL pro style offense. 

In 2nd round Jets will draft Notre Dame TE Tyler Eifert as Falcons will snatch Stamford TE Zach Ertz in first round at #31.

With additional 2nd round pick Jets will draft Lousianna Tech WR Quinton Patton. This is an excellent pick for the WC Offense will need explosive players off the line of scrimmage and Patton fits the bill.

Jets move back into late 2nd round and draft Wisconsin RB  Montee Ball  giving a 3rd and 6th for the taking of Ball. Many say that Ball's only weakness is that he doesn't have lightning speed but has everything else to be a great RB. I can remember another RB named Curtis Martin who had all of the same skills as Ball and is in the HOF.

With 4th round pick Jets take Texas A & M sure handed WR Ryan Swope. Wes Welker type that has strong hands doesn't drop balls and can block.

With 5th round pick Jets draft Michael Williams Alabama TE at 6-6 and 269 lbs he will instantly help the ground game.

With final 7th round pick Jets draft NC OT James Hurst. Hurst is huge at 6-7 and weighs in at 310 lbs and blocked for RB Giovanni Bernard.

Well this is my fix for the Jets as the Jets will need to have some playmakers on offense and will take the most explosive player in the draft on the defensive side of the ball and add their future QB.

My picks will help add greatly needed offensive weapons and will also enable Rex to move to 4-3 defense as Jones will give Jets a huge playmaker who can run down RB's stay with TE's and who can easily get after the QB.

The addition of Patton and Swope give Jets huge advantage in short yardage situations as both are quick off the line and are sure handed pass catchers who can run after the catch. I am not so sure that Hill will be any good and Holmes will be gone after 2013 season so we need to shore up WR position otherwise we will have no weapons in 2014. 

Ball helps running game as he can catch out of backfield and is an elusive back. Eifert is a solid pass catching TE who can also block and with addition of Williams Jets will have much better options to run the ball in short yardage situations especially with the WC Offense.

Trading Revis makes a lot of sense as we need to get our salary structure back in line and try to add as many playmakers as we can to both the offense and defense. I would like to hear of everybody's opinion and don't worry I will accept your criticism without any rebuttals. I am just trying to fix this much needed injection of youth and talent back into our offense for we have done such a bad job of drafting these past 4 years and now is the time to reload especially to our depleted offense of which has far too few playmakers and I would rather draft a QB now then trade away our picks for a unproven back-up like Flynn. Oh well I welcome your opinions.      

     

Nice post Rudy I'm just not a huge fan of Ball in our new WC offense though.  There is a couple other backs who would fit it a lot better.

Sounds good, Rudy.  I agree, that an unproven backup like Flynn is as much as a risk as a rookie QB, but with the Jets no doubt dumping Tebow and probably McElroy, it couldn't hurt to pick up someone like Flynn as well as Wilson and let them battle for the QB spot.  The Jets do need a competent backup QB, and it could either be a rookie or a young (current) backup.

Just wondering, how upset would you actually be if the Jets used their first pick on Mingo?  I feel like there's a good chance it will happen. 

I love Jones, Patton, and Williams, but you are dead wrong about Ball. The dude is not a 3 down back, nor is he a good fit for the WC offense. He is not a guy that will be anything better than Greene in the passing game. He can pound out the tough yards, and take a beating, but that isn't what a WC offense calls for. Almost any of the other RB choices would be better than Ball. Taylor, Lacy, Gio, Bell, Gillislee... All of those guys are 3 down backs  that can contribute in the passing game. I would hold off on drafting a QB this year, and grab one next year when the talent will be better. Instead of Swope, I would draft Connor Vernon who is a mix of Jordy Nelson and Welker.

What if they can land Jockel? 

I'd be very happy Clav

Rudi Rudi Rudi. Jets would be stupid to trade Revis.  He is the cornerstone of this defense. Peterson recovered nicely (understatement) so there is great hope Revis will also. He is young and a great athelete.   Nor are the Lions, or anyone else, giving up two #1's for a player that has yet to prove himself recovered from am ACL injury.  On top of that, Wilson could very well be gone in the first round but if he's there in the second for us its a no-brainer.     

A better route would be to trade Cro and use the money saved off his contract to help pay Revis. By, trading Cro, we could get a #2 and a #4. I wouldnt spend our #1 pick on any QB in this draft.  Best player avaiable is the way to go so if Jones LB or Mingo LB are there, snatch em up.  I would also trade Harris whose contrat is expensive and he has slowed down considerably. Its time to revamp this D and get faster LB's. Davis, Dowtin, Mingo or Jones would be a nice foundation.  Get a couple veterans on the cheap to round things out and grab another quality ILB in the draft. I think we could get a #2 or #3 pick for Harris.  That would give us some extra picks to aquire some much needed OL help.    


So if we had multiple picks in round 2 or 3 or 4, which we would if we traded Cro and Harris, we could fortify many holes.   

                     Round 1 - Jones LB Georgia or Mingo - if both gone trade back get an extra #2 or #3 and take any other top OLB left 
                     Round 2 - OT DJ Fluker   Alabama 
                     Round 2 - Elam S  Fla.  .. we need to replace both Bell and Landry. 
                     Round 3 - G or T best available - G Warford Kentucky   
                     Round 3 - Zac Dysert QB Miami (OH) Senior Bowl is a joke. Not reflective of this kid's potential.
                     Round 4 - WR - Da Rick Rodgers - kid is like flash and would be a steal here. Instantly upgrades our wr corps.
                     Round 4 - Honey Badger  CB  LSU....  replaces Cro
                     Round 5 - RB Marcus Lattimore - bad injury in college but others have recovered - would have gone way higher - worth the risk.
                     Round 6 - TE - Travis Kelce - Cincy - kid is a beast 6'5 260 can block,is fast, good route runner - can do it all. SLEEPER.
                     Round 7 - Ray Ray Armstrong, S, Faulkner University - big, fast, physical - would have gone higher due to school concerns - STEAL!

So there you have it - LB, OT, S, QB, G, WR, CB, RB, TE    all positions of need addressed. Faster, younger and cheaper.  Trading Cro and Harris saves us $16. More than enough to pay Revis and pay some of these picks.  I would also sign Matt Moore to QB for next year. Sit Dysert for a year to learn and cut or trade Tebow and McEroy.    
                

I believe that Idzik will trade Revis to Detrot Lions for a #1 in 2013 and a conditional #1 in 2014.

Nice fantasy...hardly a reality. With no on field display of proof of a full recovery, I'm not touching something like that deal with a 50 foot pole. You want a 2nd rounder? If I can negotiate a contract with him prior to finalizing a trade, I might go for it...but you can go to h3ll in a handbasket before you get the 5th pick in the draft from me for some CB who's coming back from an ACL.

With that said this is how the Jets will reload and be ready for 2014.

With 1st round pick at #4 for trade of Revis to Lions Jets will trade down to 8 and pick up 2nd round pick and then draft Georgia LB Jarvis Jones who is the most explosive defensive player in the draft. Regardless of possible spine injury Jets can not pass on Jones who has proven to be the most explosive defensive player in the 2012 college ranks and has had 2 monster seasons in a row and is in the Von Miller mold. I thought about Mingo but have decided that Jones is a more instinctive player.

The second fantasy. You're not dropping 3 spots in the draft and getting a 2nd round pick. This is actually completely laughable in of itself, but I had to actually pick myself up off the floor when I realized your imagined trade to the 8th spot in the draft would entail getting the Bills to trade up 3 whole spots...for what, BTW...and then for yucks sake, just throw you, a hated division rival their 2nd round pick like you were actually doing them a favor. Did you just get back from Disneyland? Enjoy your little ride through Fantasyland, did you? I've seen some outrageous trade projections on other boards, but this is by far the most laughable.

I want to make it very clear I mean no disrespct here, Rudy, but you couldn't have put a lot of thought into this. Normally, I enjoy reading your posts, but you are either ill, or something if you think this kind of thing can happen. Here's why.

First, unless there's a player at a position that can cause a bidding war among two or more teams who want that player, like happened with RGIII last year, you aren't even getting the old "draft value board" value back on these picks anymore with the new CBA they're working under. To move down only 3 spots and expect any team to throw you a 2nd is not at all realistic. You'd have to move back to say 15 - 20 range to expect that kind of return. With no QBs in this year's draft, that only compounds your problem and makes this truly a very hard proposition. And your next proposition of going to 19 from 10 isn't likely to net you more than a 3rd either...maybe a 6th or 7th thrown in, but not a 2nd. Which is why it took me so long to get off the floor. Because not only did you want to get Buffalo's 2nd, your proposed move to 19 would mean trading with the Giants. God I spent a long time on the floor.

NYJONES you are certainly entitled to your opinion however I have been around for some time and have seen plenty of draft deals to know that what I have proposed is not so far fetched. I never named the teams in the tradeoffs of dropping down simply because there can be other partners in any of these trades and I did not name the other teams involved other than the Lions who are in need of a #1 CB. Revis IMO will command a number one pick this year and a conditional pick in year two. If Detroit gambles and wins which is to say that Revis plays into form then Detroit is happy and  perhaps a conditional 1 in 2014 is not realistic but a conditional 2nd is.

Nobody can predict the future and I nor you can be certain as to what is going to happen to Revis but it is becoming clearer by the day that the Jets will trade Revis and getting value this year may not be realistic however the worst that it could be is a #2 this year and at worse a conditional #1 the following year. 

Idzik hopefully will not be as dumb as Tannenbaum and will only trade with teams that draft before him rather than teams like the 49ers who are near bottom of draft order.

Jones IMO will go early for he had 2 monstrous seasons in a row with his spine condition and teams with pass rushing needs will be desperate to take a player like Jones who has been as consistent as can be with solid numbers 2 years in a row of which is saying a lot about consistency especially at the college level where many players have but one year of solid stats to go by.

Its easy to criticize others and thats ok with me as this is what I am hoping the Jets do and that is to infuse talent on the offensive side and draft one impact defensive player and I don't think that I will be that far fetched as what will happen as Idzik IMO will trade Revis and we are sure to accumalte picks rather than give them away.

I don't use words like fantasy for its anybody's guess as to what will happen in this years 2013 draft but one thing is almost certain  Revis will be traded for the Jets are in a rebuilding mode and need to get their salary cap back in sync.

Its ok if you would like to be critical of what I have suggested however in your post you did nothing but criticize and did not counter with any draft picks of your own. Revis is a special player and to think that he will not command at least a #1 conditional pick is completely absurd.

Now that you have had a chance to read my post now lets see what you suggest the team does. I at least made some suggestions of which I believe will help the NY Jets and without question the Jets will get at least 2 draft picks one a conditional based upon his health and surely a #1 for what many say is the best defensive player in the NFL. In the NFL there will be teams that are willing to gamble especially those that are close to competeing and the value of Revis can not be overlooked.

BTW trading a few spots up or down in second round doesn't command more than what I have stated perhaps you should look at past drafts before you make a statement without having any proof of what the compensation is. I have seen teams trade for one spot in the 2nd round and all they sacrificed was a 4th round pick perhaps a 3rd if the player they wanted was coveted by the team but to say that its not possible is purely specualtion on your part for IT HAS BEEN DONE.

Aaron Rodgers was another one of those QB's that nobody thought was going to be great and how has that turned out. You nor I can say as to what the value of a QB is to a team and without question the Jets need to draft as many QB's as they can until they find the right one. Who is to say that Tyler Wilson is not a HOF QB. Do you know if he is going to be great or a dud? Without question this Jet team needs to draft a QB and pray that he is the messiah and we sure can't wait every year thinking that he will be found in next years draft. Joe Montana and Tom Brady are just 2 examples of QB's who weren't thought of as ffranchise QB's and lo and behold one is in Canton HOF and the other will be a first ballot HOF QB when he retires.

Go ahead make fun about my draft picks and laugh call them fantasy picks. I haven't been too far off about predicting the state of this football team and I will stick by with what I believe the Jets will do. The GM knows fully well that he needs to add as many players as he can and the only bargaining chip he has is Revis for the Jets can't afford to pay him and build a winning football team with so many other holes to fill.

I am not afraid to at least provide some ideas as to who we should draft for I am a NY Jet fan and surely my fellow posters will agree that we are in need of offensive playmakers and a pass rusher and what I have proposed is not far fetched and maybe the players names will be different however I do believe the positions of which we will target will be the same.

If you are a NY Jet fan then lets see your own mock draft don't worry I will not call your ideas fantasy picks for I have seen plenty NFL drafts to know that anything is possible.      

I don't think you are too far off Rudy. Idzik comes from a long history of buidling teams through the draft. He will not be afraid to trade whoever for whatever. Sure he wasn't the GM or a draft guy with Tampa or Seattle, but they all used the same plan to build their teams. I am sure that has rubbed off on him. 

I only disagree with your pick in Ball and Wilson.

If we can get a 1st this year for Revis, I would trade back with at least one of our picks and get a 2nd. My mock would look something like...

Rd 1: Ezekiel Ansah or Moore, or Werner, or Jones... Whoever is available, either is good. OLB/DE
Rd 1: Eric Fisher OT
Rd 2: Stepfan Taylor RB
Rd 2: Dallas Thomas G
Rd 3: Bacarri Rambo S
Rd 4: Conner Vernon WR
Rd 5: Philip Lutzenkirchen TE
Rd 6: Dexter McCoil FS
Rd 7: Brandon Williams NT

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Kelce will probably go in the 3rd or 4th round... The dude is a slower Gronk

What should the Jets do about the QB situation, GGM? I know they're stuck with Sanchez for another year but unless there's a clause in his contract demanding that he be the starter or else the Jets pay a penalty, he's going to warm the bench.

The Jets would be foolish not to at least look at a QB early in the draft and/or an up and coming back up ready for a starting role. The Jets absolutely need a new QB. Sanchez is just not getting it done.

I would bring in a cheap free agent stop-gap QB for this year, and have every move we make this year, focused on building a team for our future QB. Next year's class has so much more promise than this one.

Yes, the Jets would be foolish to not look at the QBs this year, but they might be just as foolish if they force themselves to take someone, just because they think they have to... in effect, keeping us out of the running for someone better next year. 

I have been around for some time and have seen plenty of draft deals to know that what I have proposed is not so far fetched. I never named the teams in the tradeoffs of dropping down simply because there can be other partners in any of these trades and I did not name the other teams involved other than the Lions who are in need of a #1 CB. Revis IMO will command a number one pick this year and a conditional pick in year two. If Detroit gambles and wins which is to say that Revis plays into form then Detroit is happy and  perhaps a conditional 1 in 2014 is not realistic but a conditional 2nd is.

Well, I've been around as well, Rudy, and you're right, it is my opinion. However, let's just stop for a moment here and think about this. You're telling me Detroit needs a CB, and then in pretty much the same breath you're telling me "if Detroit gambles and wins." Let me ask you this...what if they lose? Detroit, sitting at 5, if they want a CB will simply take Milliner. Is he Revis when Revis was healthy? No. On the other hand he is probably going to be similar to a Ty Law type player. Not too shabby. Not only that...NO ACL. On top of that, you know he's not holding out for at least 4 years. The kicker here? For a team that's still building itself, they're not giving you their valuable draft picks for damaged goods with an attitude.

Nobody can predict the future and I nor you can be certain as to what is going to happen to Revis but it is becoming clearer by the day that the Jets will trade Revis and getting value this year may not be realistic however the worst that it could be is a #2 this year and at worse a conditional #1 the following year.

This is QB compensation you're speaking of...not CB. I wouldn't give two No. 1s for a gimpy CB. Let's say he does come back and play well this year. He's still damaged. His propensity for future injury just went way up. Now, two 2s, with the second being conditional might be a doable deal with the right team, but I see no way you get a No. 1, unless that's a championship team, say like the 49ers and you're picking at the bottom of the round. And even with them it would probably be something involving Smith. Of course, Smith, in this draft, might once again be the No. 1 pick.

Jones IMO will go early for he had 2 monstrous seasons in a row with his spine condition and teams with pass rushing needs will be desperate to take a player like Jones who has been as consistent as can be with solid numbers 2 years in a row of which is saying a lot about consistency especially at the college level where many players have but one year of solid stats to go by.

I think Jones, if he's lucky, will have about a 5 year NFL career. The condition he has is not unlike former Chargers all pro OT, Marcus McNeil. Were it not for his spinal condition, he would have been a perrennial all star. Unfortunately, his stenosis hobbled him tremendously. Jones, in fact, could be out even quicker, for at OLB he plays a position that will see him involved in way more violent plays than an OT. I hope I'm wrong on him, but knowing McNeil's situation very well would preclude me even having him on my board until the 3rd round. I believe your first two picks in the draft are far too valuable in today's NFL to take a gamble like him unless you're a talent laden team with lots of draft picks, again like the 49ers.

Its easy to criticize others and thats ok with me as this is what I am hoping the Jets do and that is to infuse talent on the offensive side and draft one impact defensive player and I don't think that I will be that far fetched as what will happen as Idzik IMO will trade Revis and we are sure to accumalte picks rather than give them away.

And Rudy, if I offended you, please accept my appologies. I'm very sorry. As I said, I do enjoy your posts, and I meant that. Still, I do not see how a team like Detroit...and certainly the Giants would entertain either of your trade proposals.

Now that you have had a chance to read my post now lets see what you suggest the team does.

Let me think about this for a day or two. I'm not a Jets fan, per se, but a Giants fan, although I have brothers and sisters who are Jets fans and I do follow the Jets. I'm also a Chargers fan, having formerly lived there and had season tix for over 20 years. Still, I'm pretty familiar with your team. The one thing I will say right off the bat, is that I would have let sexy Rexy go. Great DC, but like his dad, not much at running the show.

BTW trading a few spots up or down in second round doesn't command more than what I have stated perhaps you should look at past drafts before you make a statement without having any proof of what the compensation is. I have seen teams trade for one spot in the 2nd round and all they sacrificed was a 4th round pick perhaps a 3rd if the player they wanted was coveted by the team but to say that its not possible is purely specualtion on your part for IT HAS BEEN DONE.

You are correct here. However, you have to catch someone in a desperate situation. I think if you want to define a team in a desperate situation, it's the Jets and their HC. It just seems like you're trying to project the Jets desperatation onto other franchises.

That being said, Rudy, I promise you to come back with an outsider's viewpoint of what I would do...after all, you, me, and all of us are actually armchair GMs here...not quite the real thing...and then you can tear it apart.

Take care...nyy    

Kelce will probably go in the 3rd or 4th round... The dude is a slower Gronk

What are you talking about GGM? His 40 times are 4.58  4.68  4.79   Gronks were  4.62  4.68  4.78 
Actually they match.  And the kid has good hands is big and can block.  6'5 260   Gronk is 6'6 258     

At this point his stock has risen though and my go in round 3-4.  A few months ago he was projected to go in 5-6.  He is opening eyes as they say.  If we can get some extra picks early somehow someway, he would fill a huge hole as Keller is all but gone.         

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBIK_P5c6c4]   doesnt look slow here.

Didn't I say he would go in the 3rd or 4th round? Those 40s are all over the place. I don't trust any of them. He doesn't quite get as much seperation as Gronk did.

Eric Fisher will gone in the top 10 and pass rushers will fly off the board as quick as they have ever in the draft. If the Jets want a pass rusher, they shouldn't be trading back that far. And if they want Fisher, they can't trade back at all. I wouldn't be opposed to trading back a couple picks and taking Warmack and then with the 2nd pick taking Tyler Wilson. In the 2nd round take a RB or TE, there are a couple I like in this draft: Joseph Randle, Gio Beranrd, Stefan Taylor, Mike Gillislee and Eddie Lacy. 3rd round Jets can look at pass rusher, there are some sleeper prospects in the 3rd round at both DE/OLB and WR. Da'Rick Rogers is arguably the most talented WR in the draft but has some character concerns and Brandon Jenkins was a 1st round pick until he hurt his foot at FSU this year.

We have to wait for the combine. I see a lot of players mentioned here who are predicted to go a lot higher ie Jones, Fisher, Eifert and Wilson.


Some mocks have Wilson as the #1 QB and going in the top 5.


PFW and many others have Fisher in the top 10.


All have Jones in the top 10 (he would be top 2 if not for his spine).


I think many here are greatly exaggerating what the Jets will get for Revis. Why not trade Cromartie when his value is at an all time high. I go to all the games for the past 30 years and Cromartie is not a shut down guy. He blows assignments and is not in the Revis class. If CB's aren't important as many here state then trade both of them. Let's see how our defense gets shredded apart with Wilson (he may get cut) and Lankster at the corners.


If Revis and/or Cromartie are traded the Jets need to spend a high draft pick on a corner. Pretty much negating the "other" pick the Jets would get as compensation.


Many in the scouting world believe Howard had a solid year and is a "must" resign. I don't but they do. Don't be surprised if he is resigned and the Jets spend a pick on a guard instead aka Warmack or more likely in the mid rounds to replace Slauson who is leaving. Ducasse is replacing Slauson (also saves cash) and gets probably resign Moore (glue of the line) but need to groom his replacement. If they draft Warmack all bets are off and Jets move Ducasse to RG and insert Warmack to starting LG which would help a struggling Ferguson. Ferguson always plays better next to a legit LG.


Don't see the Jets having the personel for a conversion to a 4-3. Who plays defensive ends and outside backers?


Jets will need to draft a safety as Landry is all but gone and if reigned Bell is old. Bush isn't the answer right now. Jersey thinks Wilson moves here, maybe. I think Wilson is on the bubble as a bust.


Harris could be in trouble. Pouha could be in trouble. Scott could be in trouble (Rex loves him). Pace, Thomas and Sapp should all be gone. Davis is the only backer secure of a spot.


Jets keep the big talk of trading Tebow but every team knows they just have to wait it out until he is released.


Jets have Holmes, Kerley and Hill under contract so look for one WR in the draft but not two as adding a TE maybe even more of a need as Cumberland needs serious competition.


Only guys guaranteed starting gigs next year are:Ferguson, Mangold, Holmes, Kerley (slot), McKnight (returner), Coples, Wilkerson, Davis, Revis (if not traded) and Cromartie (if not traded). Harris would be pending on type of defense and not being traded.


This is a team in flux with few players secure in their jobs.                   

I'm not going to guarantee that the Jets get a 1st and 3rd but I'd be shocked if it was anything much less than that. Have you guys seen the trades lately with premier players and draft picks? Carson Palmer was traded for two 1st round picks and yes, I know he's a QB but he's garbage. Jets should get a 1st and a 3rd if they trade Revis. If they trade Cromartie, I'd be they'd get a 2nd and a 5th. If the Jets trade out of the 9th pick and want to pick up a 2nd round pick, pick number 18 is around where they'd trade back to.