Burning Question to Ravens fans

This fan NEVER wanted Ben out of town. I'll pull post after post that realistically defended him as a player and a human being.
This fan never wanted TB out of town when they were calling for him either!. He ended his career being called "The Blond Bomber" The Rooney's have a knack of when to believe in a player, and when to let them go. This is one of the many characteristics they have perfected over the years as owners. Just two examples of patience with a player, but there are some borderline players right now whom I think maybe ready to let go.   

Also, I am the original poster of this thread, and I got some curious answers from it. My thought is that I would hate to see Baltimore  not resign Flacco because they are looking for a more consistent QB. I think it would be shame-full to see him go to another team and have the same stats as he has right now. If we didn't have Ben, I would like to think that brass would welcome a guy like Flacco. 
I would in a second. (not popular I know, but what player is on an opposing team?)  

Great posts, lets read some others... 

Ravens-R-#1(for now) - are you really sighting BernieRotten and his idiotic stance on Leftwich replacing Ben?  Really . . . BernieRotten is your source?  Wow!

Lyman, just think...if mano was abot 30 years younger he would just about be a pats fan...

. . . and if he were 10 years older, he would be a Browns fan!

Ravens-R-#1(for now) - are you really sighting BernieRotten and his idiotic stance on Leftwich replacing Ben?  Really . . . BernieRotten is your source?  Wow!

Was it just Bernie?  If so, my mistake.  I thought, regulars have said it also.  Even a few years back, I recall people wanting Byron after that Redskins game.  Maybe I'm mistaken


  

Ravens R #1 (ouch that hurt) and all,

there was a posting Jagbtch(or something) that had ahuge man crush on Byron...  he may be the poster you are remembering...

enjoy,

bb

I've never called Flacco elite, but have always supported him and knew his potential for leading the Ravens to a ring.  This year he finally proved me right.


Still has more to show to get in the class of Brady, Manning, Rodgers, and Brees (the 4 elites).  However, Flacco just became the most successful QB since he's been in the league (more wins than any other QB, and as many SB wins as any other QB since he's been in the league).  This win puts him at #5 currently.


BTW, every QB has problems when they see enough pressure, even the elites. 

Was it just Bernie?  If so, my mistake.  I thought, regulars have said it also.  Even a few years back, I recall people wanting Byron after that Redskins game.  Maybe I'm mistaken

I think you are. 

The only one that has been saying get rid of him have been Bernie and rborgo (who has been calling for Ben's benching since 2008).

But what would I know what happened the last half of the year on here  

This is really a difficult situation for the Ravens. Who's to say he doesn't go back to being the inconsistant Flacco we've seen the last two regular seasons while making around $20m?  And with all the changes coming to the roster, they may not be able to afford that kind of play

Not saying it will happen but it could but regardless with the roster flux they may be going through this may have been their best chance to win for couple years.

However, Flacco just became the most successful QB since he's been in the league (more wins than any other QB, and as many SB wins as any other QB since he's been in the league).  This win puts him at #5 currently.

By most wins are you meaning post season?  Because Matt Ryan has 56 wins to Joes 54 during the regular season over the same span of time.  It should also be noted that while Ben trails him in wins over that span 48 to 54 Ben has the higher winning percentage (only by a point though) .676 to .675.  Post season during that time Joe has 9 wins with a percentage of .692 not bad but ben out does him percentage wise with a .714 (5 wins 2 losses).  Eli of course has them both beat with an .800 winning percentage int he post season.  so I wouldnt be so quick to push Joe up to number 5 like no one else is around him.  IT should also be worth ntoing Ben has appeared in 2 super Bowls sinc eFlacco has been in the league and then there is the matter of Ben being 2-0 vs Flacco in the playoffs.  Now dont get me wrong I am not trying tot hrow Ben into the Elite catagory but just pointing out that Flacco doesnt have a lock on being the best of the next tier of qbs.  

By most wins are you meaning post season?  Because Matt Ryan has 56 wins to Joes 54 during the regular season over the same span of time.  It should also be noted that while Ben trails him in wins over that span 48 to 54 Ben has the higher winning percentage (only by a point though) .676 to .675.  Post season during that time Joe has 9 wins with a percentage of .692 not bad but ben out does him percentage wise with a .714 (5 wins 2 losses).  Eli of course has them both beat with an .800 winning percentage int he post season.  so I wouldnt be so quick to push Joe up to number 5 like no one else is around him.  IT should also be worth ntoing Ben has appeared in 2 super Bowls sinc eFlacco has been in the league and then there is the matter of Ben being 2-0 vs Flacco in the playoffs.  Now dont get me wrong I am not trying tot hrow Ben into the Elite catagory but just pointing out that Flacco doesnt have a lock on being the best of the next tier of qbs.  

Okay, Ryan passed him this year.  It must be nice to play in the NFC South especially after Bountygate.  Ryan can't win in the postseason though, so Flacco is definately ahead of him.  I have Flacco jumping ahead of Eli, b/c he's made the playoffs and won 5 years in a row, and even though Eli made some plays, he's only made the playoffs 2x and won a game in only one of those appearances.  Flacco actually has as many post season wins in that span as Eli and Roethlisberger combined.


As far as Roethlisberger, I have Flacco ahead of him now, b/c in the past 2 years Flacco has won the div and beat Roethlisberger head to head the last 2 times they played.  Flacco went 5-1 in the playoffs w/ a Superbowl win,  while Roethlisberger is 0-1 (loss to Tebow, while Flacco beat Manning and Brady this year and was a Lee Evans drop away from beating him to go to the SB and provide a much tougher match up for the Giants last year).  In addition to that Roethlisberger is very injury prone, so I'm seeing Flacco making the jump over him and Eli this year. 


We'll see what everyone looks like next year.

 I love it first you want to comnpare since he has been in the league and when shown a few guys are ahead of him you then change it to the last two years.  I get it he is you guy you want him to b e better.  


 

Okay, Ryan passed him this year.  It must be nice to play in the NFC South especially after Bountygate.  

The NFC south opponets of Ryan have a winning percentage of .500 over the last 5 years yeah .500 not so hot.  The winning percentage of Flacco's AFC opponets during that same time .471  Yeah thats right Ryan has faced stiffer compitition than Flacco over that time.  Yeah I know you thought the NFC south would have been weaker than the AFC and you will next say well the Browns drag the AFC North down and you would be right well in the NFC South  Carolina has dragged the division down over the last 3 years they just have not done it to the extent the browns have.

As far as Roethlisberger, I have Flacco ahead of him now, b/c in the past 2 years Flacco has won the div and beat Roethlisberger head to head the last 2 times they played.

Great he is also 0-1 vs the Batch the last time they played. I say that mostley in fun but its also to show you cant just pick and choose the last meeting to make your point.

, while Flacco beat Manning and Brady this year and was a Lee Evans drop away from beating him to go to the SB and provide a much tougher match up for the Giants last year)

Being that you opened the door on if a could a should a you are also a blown coverage from not beating the Broncos and then sitting at home for the rest of the playoffs.  Yes Evans should have caughtt hat ball last year and sent you to the SB just like this year you should have never got past the Broncos to eventually win the Super Bowl you did win.

Look enjoy your win enjoy the fact people are debating is he or isnt he a elite but dont get carried away and try and make him the be all end all of the next tier of qbs under the elite guys.  The field of next tier qbs is very crowded and may be getting even more crowded if the 3 rookies can repeat in thier sophmore seasons.  


 

Why are you all so hell bent on having Flacco deemed "Elite" ? Who the hell cares about that status. It doesn't mean a thing to be called "Elite".

Who is claiming or asking for him to be called ELITE?.....What does ELITE mean anyway? Someone needs to come up with a clear cut answer to that question. It is an opinion. I could care less if he is deemed ELITE....SUPERHUMAN or whatever. All Joe does is win...and that is fine with me.

I love it first you want to comnpare since he has been in the league and when shown a few guys are ahead of him you then change it to the last two years.  I get it he is you guy you want him to b e better. 

Wow, usually a snapshot in time focuses more on the most recent.  Yet the guy who points out what happened in the first 3 years of Flacco's career and plays the percentages game while leaving out in that span (yes, the entire 5 year span) that Flacco has as many postseason appearances and wins as Roethlisberger and Eli combined - lol


The NFC south opponets of Ryan have a winning percentage of .500 over the last 5 years yeah .500 not so hot.  The winning percentage of Flacco's AFC opponets during that same time .471  Yeah thats right Ryan has faced stiffer compitition than Flacco over that time.  Yeah I know you thought the NFC south would have been weaker than the AFC and you will next say well the Browns drag the AFC North down and you would be right well in the NFC South  Carolina has dragged the division down over the last 3 years they just have not done it to the extent the browns have.


Yet, Ryan didn't pass Flacco in wins until this year when they were the only team in their division to not have a losing record (and again Mr. Nitpicky wants to bring up the past 3, probably due to Carolina being 12-4 in 2008 and 8-8 in 2009 while Cleveland hasn't had more than 5 wins in that span).  Over that span the NFC South has had 2 teams in the postseason 3X while the A North has had at least 2 in all 5 years (3 in 2011).  Regardless, its the postseason that takes Ryan out of the conversation.


Great he is also 0-1 vs the Batch the last time they played. I say that mostley in fun but its also to show you cant just pick and choose the last meeting to make your point.


I was talking head to head between the 2 guys in the conversation (and the unreliability of Roethlisberger's health I factored in to the equation of Flacco passing him).  If you want to make an argument that Batch is the 5th best QB in the league, go for it, but hey, you guys won your SB and we won ours -  lol


Being that you opened the door on if a could a should a you are also a blown coverage from not beating the Broncos and then sitting at home for the rest of the playoffs.  Yes Evans should have caughtt hat ball last year and sent you to the SB just like this year you should have never got past the Broncos to eventually win the Super Bowl you did win.


Uh yeah, we heard that complaint before.  The safety started cheating to the center of the field, the Flacco found Jones when he was getting open down the sidelines and hit him for the 70 yd td.  Yeah, the safety couldn't recover and get back there in time, but that was a play made by Flacco - Hollah!


Look enjoy your win enjoy the fact people are debating is he or isnt he a elite but dont get carried away and try and make him the be all end all of the next tier of qbs under the elite guys.  The field of next tier qbs is very crowded and may be getting even more crowded if the 3 rookies can repeat in thier sophmore seasons. 


Definitely enjoying the win, and definitely standing behind my reasoning for Flacco being #5 right now.

You do relaize that the Ryan Flacco wins has gone back and fourth over the last 3 years right?  after thier first two both were tied with 20.  Ryan then took the lead in the third year only to have Joe take it in year 4 and Ryan grabbed it back in year 5.  I get that Flacco holds the edge on Ryan because of the post season just wanting the record straight on the win totals.

You do relaize that the Ryan Flacco wins has gone back and fourth over the last 3 years right?  after thier first two both were tied with 20.  Ryan then took the lead in the third year only to have Joe take it in year 4 and Ryan grabbed it back in year 5.  I get that Flacco holds the edge on Ryan because of the post season just wanting the record straight on the win totals.

For someone who wants to set the record straight, you sure are selective about when you do it - lol

how am I being selective? First you wanted to say Flacco had the wins lead since he came in the league then when I pointed out ryan had it you wanted to say well he just took it from flacco this year implying flacco had it all of the previos 4 years I show you that isnt true either by giving you the results over all 5 years and Im being slective?

Not sure if you have been paying attention or not but this is completely a media thing and has nothing to do with the fans, Joe Flacco or the Ravens organization. They started this stupid thing and it continues on with them, the fan base soaks it up and regurgitates it.
I could care a fat rats ass that his is labeled elite, the fact of the matter is that currently Baltimore are the Super Bowl champions and no other team is, but the main variable is Joe "average" Flacco is the one who got them their and did what he had to win.

I know for also for a fact that, under his watch, the Ravens have been to the playoffs 5 years straight and tell me some other QB that can bouch for that... 
I am also an informed Ravens fan that knows the true facts that Baltimore is a top-flight organization that knows how to put a winner on the field and that is why 6 of the last 7 season have placed Baltimore in the playoffs. So it is also a strong point that not only is Joe a strong QB but he plays for an organization that knows how to win.

Outside of the pocket pressence I would compare him to Big Benny, but in Flacco favor he doesn't choose to get dismantled my pass rushers.

how am I being selective? First you wanted to say Flacco had the wins lead since he came in the league then when I pointed out ryan had it you wanted to say well he just took it from flacco this year implying flacco had it all of the previos 4 years I show you that isnt true either by giving you the results over all 5 years and Im being slective?


Oh, let's see these comments are coming from the same guy who brought up conference records and then acted like Carolina cancelled Cleveland out when the Panthers were 35-45 in that span and the Browns 23-57.  That 12 win difference is pretty significant when it comes to division records (In addition to the Ravens always having at least one other playoff team as well).  We can also add that the A North won the head to head 9-7 in 2010 with the Ravens being 3-0 against Falcons opponents.  I just think the A North is a better overall division too regardless of stats.


Sure, I didn't check the previous years, but Flacco was ahead last year (which is clearly) and that's all that I meant to imply.  You're comparison of Cleveland to Carolina in regards to balancing out the divisional records was much more misleading (look at the stats above).  I was merely guilty of forgetting about Ryans' regular season records b/c he's not even in the conversation for that #5 overall due to his postseason record.  It's clear though that Flacco has more combined reg/ post season wins since he's been in the league by a pretty significant margin (as well as having just as many SB wins as any other QB in that time span). 


For the record I don't really have a problem with people being selective about stats.  It's when you were making comments like "setting the record straight" calling other people out like they are trying to be deceptive.  I was just pointing out that you're selective b/c you were doing the same thing yourself.