Backus and Hanson back in 2013

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Backus and Hanson back in 2013

February 18, 2013 12:50 pm

Keeping hanson as field goal kicker is fine. but he should not be doing the kickoffs. He cannot kick it out of the endzone. How many kickoffs were returned for T.Ds last season ? Paying someone to do field goals and another to do kickoffs is foolish. Sighn a new kicker  Hanson will always be 1 of my favorite Lions players but his time should be over.
Taz5100
SinceNov 22, 2006
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Backus and Hanson back in 2013

February 18, 2013 1:18 pm

On the Jeff Backus debate....

Is Backus a Hall of Famer?..... NO.

Is Backus going to be a member of Pride of the Lions?..... Yes without a doubt.

Is he going to be honered as one of the best Lions over his career?...... Yes without a doubt.

This will be based on his toughness, longevity and consistancy of play.... the Martz years not withstanding. Matter of fact you can toss the Martz years out the window when it comes to oline stats because every member of the oline had worse stats on sacks under Martz due to the "block everyone with 5" mentality. Martz's system worked for a few years in St. Louis but once NFL defenses figured out they could basically kill the QB on every pass play they always sent more than the oline could handle.

Backus's ability to start every game for over 11 seasons is his ticket to Lions fame.

When Backus's startng streak came to an end at 186 only two other active players had longer starting streak. London Fletcher and Ronde Barber.

The Only Left Tackle I can find with a longer startng streak in the NFL than Backus is Doug Dieken, Cleveland Browns, 1971-1984. Dieken had 194 consecutive starts.

So as near as I can see. Jeff Backus has the second longest steak of consecutive games played at LT in NFL history.

You cant tell me thats worth nothing to the Lions, having the comfort of knowing your guy is ready to go every game for over 10 years. Thats extremely valuable.

Like it or not, Backus will get his due from the Lions for his enormous effort and steady play.
The_Pride1
SinceMar 2, 2009
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Backus and Hanson back in 2013

February 18, 2013 2:17 pm

You are trying to tell tpaul backus isn't as good as he thinks he is? The guy is living in a fantasy world, just leave him be. Remember if you disagree with him than you must not watch Lions games. He is the iron man of watching lions games and knowing everything dude.
gvsulaker82
SinceSep 9, 2009
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Backus and Hanson back in 2013

February 18, 2013 2:24 pm

You are trying to tell tpaul backus isn't as good as he thinks he is?
It isn't just TP that thinks he's good.  There are many others.  Just because he isn't going to the NFL HOF doesn't mean he hasn't been a very good LT for us over the years.  Not sure why people can't see that.
microwahevo
SinceNov 23, 2006
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Backus and Hanson back in 2013

February 18, 2013 2:26 pm

I agree, I said he was good in the thread myself. Just pointing out its pointless to debate with him.
gvsulaker82
SinceSep 9, 2009
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Backus and Hanson back in 2013

February 18, 2013 2:41 pm

Just pointing out its pointless to debate with him.
I don't think it's pointless.  He just stands by his convictions, whether we agree or not.  Most everyone here does.  How many people on this board do you actually see admit when they are wrong or slightly off?  It sure is a rarity. 
microwahevo
SinceNov 23, 2006
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Backus and Hanson back in 2013

February 18, 2013 5:16 pm

You are trying to tell tpaul backus isn't as good as he thinks he is? The guy is living in a fantasy world, just leave him be. Remember if you disagree with him than you must not watch Lions games. He is the iron man of watching lions games and knowing everything dude.

Like I've said a few times lately- you negative types really don't like it when someone with a different outlook doesn't want to join your pitty party.

 You can piss and moan about the problems all you want, I'd much rather discuss solutions with those who offer more than the occasional bitchy statement once or twice a week.
tpaulus_2
SinceApr 2, 2008
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Backus and Hanson back in 2013

February 19, 2013 3:02 am

Pre Martz Backus was a servicable, if unspectacular, left tackle. Since then he's gotten better and better every year.
Martz was only around for '06-'07 and that's only 2 years of an unbalanced pass happy offense with John Kitna at the helm. That's a strategem on Martz your placing.
They used to want Backus gone too, but when Martz went away and Sims came aboard suddenly he didn't look all that bad at all.
Backus gave up 1 more sack in his 1st 3 years than the last 3 years. But, what happen during the missing link between Martz leaving before the 2008 season and Sims signing in 2010?
Dom stuck because he was is a leader, smart player, and great at making the proper line calls.
Backus stuck because Millen cared more about drafting wide receivers than wins and Mayhew can't meet every need in such a short time, but at least he's trying to upgrade the LT.
A.) Dom Riaola isn't anywhere near the caliber player that Backus is. Backus is very good at what he does, there's no denying it, unless you're being unreasonably biased against the man.
I would LOVE to see how well Backus holds up with pass protection AND run blocking with almost half of the rushing attempts. I already know how well that'll turn out, most of his blocking assignments will either be the tackler or in on the tackles.
LionsWhyMe
SinceSep 12, 2006
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Backus and Hanson back in 2013

February 19, 2013 9:16 am

Dom stuck because he was is a leader, smart player, and great at making the proper line calls.

Lol, you're trying to argue that Backus isn't that good while simultaneously propping up Raiola. I'd forgotten that you're the one guy on here who's a Dom fan.

Kind of invalidates any thoughts you have on the o-line in general, though. Anyone who thinks Raiola isn't well past his prime and shouldn't have been replaced long ago can't really be counted on to give sage o-line input...



I would LOVE to see how well Backus holds up with pass protection AND run blocking with almost half of the rushing attempts. I already know how well that'll turn out, most of his blocking assignments will either be the tackler or in on the tackles.
See what I mean. Here you are talking about Backus blocking on the tackles. This isn't the first time you've brought this up, and I'm no more sure why you've brought it up this time than I was last time. I think you must have watched a clip or two where Backus is kicking down on the DT (that's what most people call them- "tackles" play on offense) and for whatever reason that struck you as odd. I hate to break it to you, but the design on a whole lot of running plays calls for the tackle to kick inside and seal the DT back towards the center. This isn't uncommon at all, and not the least bit a reflection of poor blocking skills by Backus, as you're trying to make it seem...
tpaulus_2
SinceApr 2, 2008
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Backus and Hanson back in 2013

February 19, 2013 9:38 am

I like Big Doms fire.(Sup Mike Vick?) But I don't see him being in the same solid/mediocre class that Jeff Backus is. Sadly, other than Jason Hanson, they're the two best non-top five Lions draft picks of the last twenty five years. Think about that for a minute and try to say I'm wrong. (it should only take you 6 seconds to think of Chris Spielman).
broncosmitty
SinceApr 2, 2009
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Backus and Hanson back in 2013

February 19, 2013 8:14 pm

Lol, you're trying to argue that Backus isn't that good while simultaneously propping up Raiola. I'd forgotten that you're the one guy on here who's a Dom fan.
No, I'm the one guy that calls Raiola the cornerstone of a shoddy Oline. I would rather see the LT get upgraded first between the two if not both. Raiola has done a much better job throughout his career than Backus. You give Backus kudos since Sims came along but fail to notice Raiola giving up more sacks since Peterman became a full time starter. Besides, these past couple of years Backus has been injury prone.
See what I mean. Here you are talking about Backus blocking on the tackles. This isn't the first time you've brought this up, and I'm no more sure why you've brought it up this time than I was last time.
I'll be around next year... you'll either see what I mean or try to rub it in.
I hate to break it to you, but the design on a whole lot of running plays calls for the tackle to kick inside and seal the DT back towards the center. This isn't uncommon at all, and not the least bit a reflection of poor blocking skills by Backus, as you're trying to make it seem...
It's all good "IF" and "WHEN" it happens that way, but you can't argue when Backus blocking assignments are in on the tackles.
LionsWhyMe
SinceSep 12, 2006
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Backus and Hanson back in 2013

February 19, 2013 8:21 pm

they're the two best non-top five Lions draft picks of the last twenty five years. Think about that for a minute and try to say I'm wrong. (it should only take you 6 seconds to think of Chris Spielman).
Lomas Brown and Robert Porcher came to mind.
LionsWhyMe
SinceSep 12, 2006
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Backus and Hanson back in 2013

February 19, 2013 8:34 pm

Lomas Brown is getting inducted to the Michigan Sports Hall of Fame. Just like Jeff Backus will someday:)
broncosmitty
SinceApr 2, 2009
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Backus and Hanson back in 2013

February 19, 2013 8:36 pm

If being injury prone means starting 32 of 33 possible games, I'll take a team full of injury prone dudes.
broncosmitty
SinceApr 2, 2009
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Backus and Hanson back in 2013

February 21, 2013 10:34 am

No, I'm the one guy that calls Raiola the cornerstone of a shoddy Oline.
Yep, you're the only one calling Dom a cornerstone of our o-line. In my opinion he's much more of a center pebble than a corner stone... you just can't be effective against 6'4" 340 lb men when you're 6'0" and 290 lbs.

 
Raiola has done a much better job throughout his career than Backus.
A much better job at running his mouth, flipping off the fans, and getting laid flat on his back, perhaps.  

A much better job blocking defensive linemen? Not even close. 


Besides, these past couple of years Backus has been injury prone. 
Please explain this one.

He's missed one game in his entire career. If you want to specifically look at the past couple of years he's started 32 out of 33 possible games.

If that's your metric then about 92% of the guys in the NFL are injury prone, according to you.


I'll be around next year... you'll either see what I mean or try to rub it in. 
This response makes zero sense as it relates to my original comment.

I was pointing out that tackles regularly block in on the DTs, and that you seem to be trying to use that to support your argument that Backus isn't a good run blocker. It just doesn't hold up.

It's all good "IF" and "WHEN" it happens that way, but you can't argue when Backus blocking assignments are in on the tackles.
Can't argue what, exactly? I still don't understand what you're getting at here? Offensive tackles kick in to seal off the DTs very often. This is in no way indicative (sp) of poor run blocking skills by Backus- it's a designed part of the play. 

If Backus was as bad of a run blocker as you say he is, why on earth would they want him blocking DTs, who are the hardest guys to move in the run game? Think about it...

 
tpaulus_2
SinceApr 2, 2008
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Backus and Hanson back in 2013

February 21, 2013 1:29 pm

This Backus vs Raiola discussion is some what silly if you ask me.

Niether is Hall of Fame material.
Both are good enough to hold onto their jobs for extended periods of time.
Both have been quite healthy throughout thier careers.

If you are grading olinemen on a 1 to 10 scale. 10 being Hall of Fame lock and 1 being my osrry arse triyn to block a 320 lb. raging Dlineman I would have to grade out thier careers as Backus around an 8 and Raiola a 7.

The reason being longevity, consistancy, loyalty and effort.

IMO Backus is the better of the 2.
What Dom does excell at is inline calls for protection, what he does not excell at is push at the point of attack.
If Dom had been a better inline run blocker I could rate him as well as Backus.
But honestly to have 2 long time players to help give your line continuity over a decade of time is rare these days.


The_Pride1
SinceMar 2, 2009
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Backus and Hanson back in 2013

February 21, 2013 1:37 pm

they're the two best non-top five Lions draft picks of the last twenty five years. Think about that for a minute and try to say I'm wrong. (it should only take you 6 seconds to think of Chris Spielman).
Lomas Brown and Robert Porcher came to mind.


Herman Moore, Johnnie Morton. 




jayfan
SinceNov 11, 2008
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Backus and Hanson back in 2013

February 21, 2013 2:04 pm

Corey Schlesinger Luther Elliss
falconstud99
SinceMar 30, 2008
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Backus and Hanson back in 2013

February 21, 2013 2:56 pm

Bennie blades
cleaves2000
SinceJan 25, 2007
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Backus and Hanson back in 2013

February 21, 2013 3:19 pm

After reading a bit about this "Pride Of The Lions," there is no way Backus is getting anywhere near it.  Not a chance.


The official press release for the "Pride" in 2009 states...

"The players who will be honored represent the very best of the best to ever play for the Lions,"

There are 12 inducted members, and all are in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.  That's by design.

"It's something that's been talked about for quite a while, given the rich tradition that we have," said Lions president Tom Lewand. "There are a number of great players, guys who are in Canton (the Pro Football Hall of Fame), and it made sense to do it.

This is an exclusive membership.  Reserved for the elite.  Not for the mediocre-to-good who played on bad teams for a really long time.

"Lewand said that there's no timetable for adding more names to the Pride of the Lions, but he was confident there would be more joining the original 12."

As of today, the post-millenium Lions will have one inductee.  Calvin Johnson.  We can only hope that Stafford makes it two by playing his way in over the coming years.  Backus will be invited to attend the ceremony as a guest.


http://www.detroitlions.com/news/ar
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http://www.prideofdetroit.com/2009/
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jayfan
SinceNov 11, 2008