Purdue vs Michigan St could get ugly

The season isn't over yet. I think Purdue wins at most 2 more games in the regular season, so I think they do finish 10th. That is, unless, they're able to finish ahead of Northwestern.

Didn't Northwestern destroy Purdoo? 

I do think it's great that Toiletmaker fans and Hoosier fans can agree about something.  Long live Painter!  

I saw it clear as day. Why anybody else claims they can't see it I can't explain. Maybe they didn't want to see it? That must be it.

The season isn't over yet. I think Purdue wins at most 2 more games in the regular season, so I think they do finish 10th. That is, unless, they're able to finish ahead of Northwestern.

Purdue has feasted on the lower teams so far, no doubt, and they have a tough schedule left.  However, it's about on par with Northwestern's so where they finish might depend on their second head-to-head which is at Mackey.  That would still land them 9th assuming Iowa and Illinois pass them which they have a good shot of based on some gimme games left.

I saw it clear as day. Why anybody else claims they can't see it I can't explain. Maybe they didn't want to see it? That must be it.

I watched over 20 times and it was not clear a punch landed. Maybe you are just seeinig what you want to see? It does work both ways, you know.

I am not justifying Dawson taking a swing. Even if Carroll, as it appears, gave him a good elbow and held him, throwing a punch is never acceptable. Just wanted to be clear on that.

The reality is, if Dawson had connected, Carroll would have hit the floor, doubled over, had a pained facial expression, something, none of which is seen. All these is is a baby step backwards which is just as likely due to momentum and inertia of his body as anything else.     

I watched over 20 times and it was not clear a punch landed

I strongly disagree. You are merely saying it was not clear that it landed when it is clear that it landed.

The reality is, if Dawson had connected, Carroll would have hit the floor, doubled over, had a pained facial expression, something, none of which is seen. 

Not necessarily. The punch probably didn't land full force and Carroll saw it coming so was able to tense up his stomach muscles and prepare for it. Just because he didn't double over or show pain on his face (not a real good shot of his face anyway) does not mean the punch didn't land.

All these is is a baby step backwards which is just as likely due to momentum and inertia of his body as anything else.

Again, you are assuming inertia. You are making assumptions to justify your player. I don't have a horse in this race so I really couldn't care less. But the punch was thrown intentionally and it landed. That is as clear as you'll ever see a punch getting thrown in a video. Sorry, dude, but your guy is guilty as charged.

The B1G and NCAAIC is assuming the punch didn't land like you are. That is the safe way to judge it, just pretend it didn't happen.

Again, you are assuming inertia.

Assuming that a player continued to move because of inertia?  How ludicrous!

Next thing you know people will be applying other laws of physics to situations and it will be nothing but chaos!!!

I wouldn't be surprised if some dummy shows up on here and claims that the reason people fall to the floor when losing their balance is related to gravity or other physics mumbo jumbo.

Outrageous!

I think gravity is just something nerdy science guys made up, and everyone just bought in. Silly common folk.

Silly B1G common folk.  

Worry about your academic scandals, the B1G will deal with the Spartans.

"Check out that link, watch the slow mo replay. There is no way he was pounding his chest. Absolutely no question he threw a punch."

If THAT is a punch then his daddy needs to have his Man Card pulled. He taught his boy to punch like a chicken-armed girl. I think it's time to let this go, Dale. It's just making you look bad. It is far from "clear" or "no question". It is completely debatable.

There are 500 plays that could be called a different way in every game. Put your big girl panties on and deal with it. I am 100% confident that if I took game film from every Purdue game this year I could get the right camera angle that when you look at it in ultra slow mo would look like a Purdue player is punching someone. You're reaching, big time, and on a point that makes no difference to anything but a weak reason for fans to act like punks.

"Silly B1G common folk. "

Speaking of common, pretty pedestrian team you Tar Heels are rolling out there this year.  Bummer, I wanted Kansas to get another crack at Roy Williams in the tourney before he retires.

"Again, you are assuming inertia. You are making assumptions to justify your player."

That's why they call it the LAW of Inertia, not the Theory of Inertia. We do not ahave to assume it; it always exists when an object is in motion. You are just making cap up to support your weak argument.

"But the punch was thrown intentionally and it landed. That is as clear as you'll ever see a punch getting thrown in a video."

Did the player react in any way like a person who was just punched in the stomach? No. I don't know about you, but I am going to react if someone punches me in the stomach in the middle of a basketball game.

"The B1G and NCAAIC is assuming the punch didn't land like you are. That is the safe way to judge it, just pretend it didn't happen."

The NCAA just has its hands full investigating athletic programs with fraudulent academic programs to worry itself over trivial BS like this...

Worry about your academic scandals, the B1G will deal with the Spartans.

No, they won't. They're letting Michigan State skate.

No, they won't. They're letting Michigan State skate.

no, you petty little whining worm, it's called reasonable doubt - something most grownups ascribe to cases where there is a lack of evidence and/or corroborating testimony.  take your pitchfork and sit on it...the crusade was over before you opened your yap.

no, you petty little whining worm, it's called reasonable doubt - something most grownups ascribe to cases where there is a lack of evidence and/or corroborating testimony.  take your pitchfork and sit on it...the crusade was over before you opened your yap.

Aren't you the kind one? And I will "open my yap" whenever I have a mind to, Punk.

I will kindly depart your thread and you have given me every reason in the world to believe that Michigan State fans have earned the hatred that Michigan fans have for them. Thank you. Enjoy.

Well... bye!

I watched over 20 times and it was not clear a punch landed

I strongly disagree. You are merely saying it was not clear that it landed when it is clear that it landed.

The reality is, if Dawson had connected, Carroll would have hit the floor, doubled over, had a pained facial expression, something, none of which is seen.

Not necessarily. The punch probably didn't land full force and Carroll saw it coming so was able to tense up his stomach muscles and prepare for it. Just because he didn't double over or show pain on his face (not a real good shot of his face anyway) does not mean the punch didn't land.

All these is is a baby step backwards which is just as likely due to momentum and inertia of his body as anything else.

Again, you are assuming inertia. You are making assumptions to justify your player. I don't have a horse in this race so I really couldn't care less. But the punch was thrown intentionally and it landed. That is as clear as you'll ever see a punch getting thrown in a video. Sorry, dude, but your guy is guilty as charged.

The B1G and NCAAIC is assuming the punch didn't land like you are. That is the safe way to judge it, just pretend it didn't happen.

All of your counter arguments likewise apply to your perception of the incident. You are saying it clearly landed when there is not indisputable video evidence that supports that statement. It is not clear it landed.

I am assuming nothing. I did a careful viewing, reversed my position (previous position stated that there was no swing/punch at all) as a result. Dawson did swing with a clenched fist and that can only be with the intent to land a punch. There was no video showing he connected. Carroll's response does not lead to the conclusion he was hit. He may have been, but there is no video that clearly shows it.

I said, "just as likely due" and that is not assuming. It in fact allows for other possibilities such as a punch actually landed.

I also stated there are no circumstances that excuse a swing or a punch.

As to assumptions, you are assuming "probably didn't land with full force" and "Carroll saw it coming so was able to tense up his stomach muscles" and so forth.  

The B1G And NCAA IC are not assuming anything. They are concluding based on their review of the video footage.

The reality is, had Dawson connected, there would have been clear video evidence it happened. The video is not clear, one way or another.

And what about Carroll with his elbow to Dawson's ribs or his holding Dawson? No comments or is this just a witch hunt aimed at a MSU player? 

If I were to actually make an assumption, I would have said that had Dawson connected, then absolute no way Carroll would have just stood there, that Carroll would have landed a punch of his own.

I made no such assumptions. I made no such statements.   

Aren't you the kind one? And I will "open my yap" whenever I have a mind to, Punk.

I will kindly depart your thread and you have given me every reason in the world to believe that Michigan State fans have earned the hatred that Michigan fans have for them. Thank you. Enjoy.

Great don't let the Academic Cheating Scandal Door hit you in the arse on the way out.....