Cmon Twocoach you mean the years where Jordan had to play against Patrick Ewing, David Robinson, Hakeem Olajawon, Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, Larry Bird, and Magic Johnson just to name a few. Those guys would demolish the so called talent today in the NBA. I know you love Lebron and everything but get his **** off of your mind so you can think clearly.the Dream i would argue is one of the best big men off all time who happened to play on a not-so-deep- Rockets team.
"Look here geek the guys I listed were head and shoulders better than most of the watered down punks you have today. "
Geek? Oh nice. Let's resport to name calling to try to bully your opinion down my throat. Cute.
Why would you compare the best players of an era to the watered down punks? There are a load of excellent players playing today that will be in the Hall o fFamer; it's just hard to see that now as they are still in the primes of their careers and too early to speculate.
"Can you name one Center today who could compete against those guys? Hell no! The big men back then would man handle the chumps out there today. Dwight Howard is supposingly the best right now and he sucks."
I agree that the true 5 center of before is a weak position now in the NBA but every other position in the NBA right now is flousihing with talent. There are a lot of really great players out there right now.
"The reason there wasn't any super teams back then is because players actually wanted to compete against the best not join up with them. "
Weren't any super teams? Jordan's Bulls, Magic's Lakers and Bird's Celtics are the same as James' Heat, Kobe's Lakers and Pierce's Celtics. They were all just formed in different manners as the business of the NBA is completely different now than it was then.
"So yes the competition was greater in Jordans era cause each team had their superstar instead of like todays punks who rather team up cause they don't know anything about HARD work. "
Did you walk uphill both directions in a foot of snow with no shoes when you were a kid? Just stop. If you don't think LeBron James carrying that Cavs team rosetr of crap to the NBA Finals was hard work then you need to excuse yourself from this conversation. Your next line will "these young whippersnappers" or something equally ridiculous.
"The competition today couldn't hang with the teams from the 90's. FACT! "
that would be called OPINION, not FACT. There are so many more teams with multiple all stars on them now than there ever were back in the 90s. The road to the NBA Finals is much tougher now than it used to be.
I don't think it's a stretch to say LeBron James is overrated. The top stars in the major sports tend to get that way as part of the marketing of their sports. Twenty-five years from now, when a different generation has grown up without having watched Lebron James play, he might not even be considered as good as, say, Charles Barkley. [Look around at the Jordan threads and you can see how this could happen.] Until his decline with age and probably weight as well, Barkley had much better rebounding numbers and better FG% numbers than Lebron. He didn't shoot as much, because, back then, without the exception of that one guy [we all know that guy], players just didn't do that. It wasn't part of the mentality back then.
But let's get to examining Lebron in more detail. First, Lebron James is a 250 pound forward. How has he not been getting 9 or 10 rebounds per game throughout his career in today's tiny centerless league? He finally averages 8 rebounds a game, and people are amazed. He is a 250 pound forward, people, in a smaller league. With a little bit of effort, 8 rebounds should have been routine a long time ago.
There is a stat a guy at ESPN came up with called PER. A lot of you know about this stat. One of the problems with it is that it looks at stats by a per-minute basis. Per-minute is not the end-all be-all, because, if a guy is not a focal point of the team, he never touches the ball, and, if he never touches the ball, he's out there running up minutes but doesn't get much opportunity to gain stats in that time. That's not to say per-minute isn't useful, but it should be considered next to [drum roll]: per-touch efficiency. With that, I present to you the following information:
Chris Bosh - 50 touches per game - 17.3 points and 1.5 assists per game. (0.346 points and 0.03 assists per touch)
Dwayne Wade - 59 touches per game - 20.9 points and 4.8 assists per game. (0.354 points and 0.08 assists per touch)
Lebron James - 84.6 touches per game - 27.2 points and 7 assists per game. (0.321 points and 0.08 assists per touch)