I don't mean to call you out, but your response is part of the reason Penn Stater's get so upset. "Just give me the cliff notes." No. If you want to have a reasonable, civil discussion, please read the whole article and form your own opinion.I certainly don't need to read anything more to form an opinion about JoePa.
I formed the correct opinion about him just as soon as I found out he knew about the shower incident and did nothing.
Again Doyel you just don't understand because you refuse to look outside the narrative you and the rest of the media have created. Nothing makes us feel better about these horrible crimes Sandusky committed. Nothing.
What is really sad at this point, is your lack of even an acknowledgment for the viewpoint of Jim Clemente, a former top FBI profiler and internationally recognized expert in the fields of sex crimes investigations, sex offender behavior, child sexual victimization and child pornography. It's like you are trying extra hard to suppress the truth about child predators and the education about child sex abuse that should have occured from this tragedy. Only your hate for Paterno and blaming of a football program matter to you. No room for the whole story and the truth. No respect for the experts or previous US Attorny General.
For the first time since the media started this false "it's only about football" narrative in November of 2011, there is finally truth being spoken about the type of pedophile Sandusky was. For the FIRST time. That is the story in itself....that fact frames everyone's reaction and beliefs. And you won't be deterred in that blind belief.
The true story starts with the truth of who Sandusky was. A master deceiver. As Clemente writes "These are offenders who are friendly, normal, helpful, giving, loving people who no one would suspect are harboring sexual attractions to children.... I would put him in the top 1% of effective groomers in this country"
The ability to reason and understand what happened in State College starts with that. If you are lying about Sandusky, then people like you will never get it and will never learn from Sandusky's crimes. From day one, no one wrote one single story about the true way Sandusky was seen by and groomed an entire community. As Clemente points out, he is one of the best examples of a "pillar of the community offender" he has witnessed in his career.
You have a 97 page document from a highly respected expert in this field (and an abuse survivor himself) speaking out about the truth of the way a pedophile like Sandusky behaves, misleads, and grooms all those around him. He also details how those dealing with these types of pedophiles react. Nothing that happened in State College is unusal to experts that investigate these types of cases as a career. It just happened in a very high profile environment.
You don't care. You don't want to hear it. You don't want anything to stand in the way of Paterno being a monster. He knew and should have called the cops. Understanding that a master pedophile is around you is simple to spot. Simple to deal with. Simple to process and reason steps of appropriate action. I would have called the cops. Joe understood what thousands around the country in thousands of cases in every town can't grasp or comprehend. You disagree with the experts and know more. Thank you for making child sex abuse such an uncomplicated issue. I'm sure the victims thank you.
We are to the point, like Sue wrote in her letter to the former players and Penn State fans have been saying for months, truth is the only thing that serves these victims. Those at PSU handled a child predator situation badly, didn't do the right things that could have prevented further pain, and they should feel horrible remorse. ( And Joe Paterno expressed that remorse.) Nobody disagrees with that......but there is so much more to the story than Joe Paterno trying to win one more football game.
Not seeing that is just one more tragedy. All education from this case suppressed by rationalizing that it only happened because those around Sandusky were evil and were happy to let it happen. They wanted to win football games above all else. Why try to understand something more complicated, when someone is handing you an easy to grasp narrative. Ignoring the well written lesson by Clemente is irresponsible, and will, in the future, prevent others from spotting the Sanduskys around them. And the Sanduskys are out there.
No Doyel, we don't feel better. The ignorance and lack of concern for the truth by people like you just makes it even sadder.
But what do I know.....I'm just a member of a cult, drinking nasty kool-aid and only caring about a statue and win records. ( I saved you your token response)
One last thing. Educate yourself at paterno.com where the full report written by very well respected men is located. You clearly wrote your article without reading the actual report. But of course.... you didn't read the full Freeh report either, so what would it matter.
The true story starts with the truth of who Sandusky was. A master deceiver. As Clemente writes "These are offenders who are friendly, normal, helpful, giving, loving people who no one would suspect are harboring sexual attractions to children.... I would put him in the top 1% of effective groomers in this country"
The ability to reason and understand what happened in State College starts with that. If you are lying about Sandusky, then people like you will never get it and will never learn from Sandusky's crimes. From day one, no one wrote one single story about the true way Sandusky was seen by and groomed an entire community. As Clemente points out, he is one of the best examples of a "pillar of the community offender" he has witnessed in his career.
I would accept this argument if there wasn't an investigation of an incident in 1998 and a a confirmed sighting of the exact same thing happening again in 2001. At that point there is no deception, there is a pattern...at least to the people familiar with one or both of the incidents. This includes the victims, their families, JoePa, Curley, Schultz, on campus police etc.
The people of the community had no reason to view Sandusky in any negative light (and I get that is exactly Clemente's point). But they were also not privy to the 2 incidents in 1998 and 2001. However those under leadership at Penn State were and it is their complete lack of responsibility that led to him being able to continue his disgusting acts.
I would accept this argument if there wasn't an investigation of an incident in 1998 and a a confirmed sighting of the exact same thing happening again in 2001. At that point there is no deception, there is a pattern...at least to the people familiar with one or both of the incidents. This includes the victims, their families, JoePa, Curley, Schultz, on campus police etc.
Clemente said in his report that since the 1998 incident was dropped, that would lead many people to believe that the 2001 incident was just another mis-understanding. This goes back to Jerry being one of the "pillars" of the community. Jerry was looked at as a saint by many, many people. The kids at the Second Mile were seen as underprivledged kids who Jerry helped. Clemente said that he has seen this many times and pointed out that Jery Sandusky was in the top 1% of devious predators he has ever seen. (He's seen thousands) He fooled the whole state with his charity and the numerous awards he won with it.
I understand your point, but you keep missing my point. Many people act as if the only thing the administrators heard about Jerry Sandusky was the two incidents three years apart. That's just not true. Yes, they did hear at least one report of Sandusky doing something inappropriate with a child, but they also heard thousands of reports of praise for Jerry Sandusky's work for children. It's very reasonable to think they dismissed this as a mis-understanding because Sandusky was constantly being praised for helping thousands of children. Heck, Jerry Sandusky was invited to the white house at least twice and was publicly praised by former President's George Bush and Bill Clinton. He was also praised by numerous U.S. Senators, such as Arlen Spector and Rick Santorum (Among many others) So if you're Joe Paterno in 2001, you have thousands of reports of praise from highly respected people, one misunderstanding (as it was perceived by the police at the time), and one report of inappropriate behavior in which the witness (McQueary) didn't think enough of it to call the police that night. In hindsight, Joe Paterno made some wrong decisions. He even said "With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I would have done more." We all do. But for people to claim that Joe Paterno actively participated in a cover up to avoid bad publicity is irresponsible and not supported by the evidence.
"does not alter the conclusions reached in the Freeh Report"A simple case of "She said, He Said".
this is one that I need someone to give me the cliff notes.Cliff Notes is a summarized "shortened" version of a piece of written information, whether it fiction, non-fiction, theory, etc. If there were cliff notes of the Freeh Report, considering how much information on Paterno is in the Freeh Report, the cliff notes version would simply say "Pat".
Question: Is your intent, as well as this report, to defend Joe or Penn State?Who are you asking?
