Rose Update

any news.  Last I heard he would be back after the all star well that is almost here.  Also how is Rose the last one to come back from all the injuries that happen. Billups is back and Shumert(whatever his name is).  Anyone have any update info?

No info I've seen, they have been pretty vague about it. As for why he isn't back first, I would say that all injuries are not identical is one reason but the main one being that Rose is the present and future of the franchise who we owe 100 million dollars. 

I heard 2 weeks after the all star game he will be back. Derrick has packed on some muscle and looks great shooting. and is fast as can be. cant wait to see him dunk over lebron

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Well it might be a long time.  He said he is only at 80%.  He wants to be at 110%.  


Well it might be another month before he comes back.     

That was a prompted, orchestrated PR talking points interview.  Of course they are going to down play it.  Under promise, over deliver.

Yahoo sports has a quote from one "close" source saying not before March 1st, saying he is in a good place but no time table set.  I think ptfcNassoc is right on point with this.  Long as he doesn't come back wearing a different number only to change back in a pivotal game.   

I find it funny the reporters keeping asking Thibs/pax/gar questions about his return, and get the same regurgitated comments about "the process" "right on schedule" "not until he's 100% ready".  They won't say a word about his return date until after he returns.   

At least the media attention is on a positive subject though, and not like the nonsense that comes out of New York and L.A.  

well very bad news.  Rose says he doesnt feel right.  He cant dunk yet. and he might miss the whole season.

well very bad news.  Rose says he doesnt feel right.  He cant dunk yet. and he might miss the whole season.

Yeah. That is really disappointing if true. It will be interesting if he does hang it up for this year. What would the Bulls do in that case? Would they make a few interim moves to improve their play-off possibilities or would they make some moves to set them up for 2014 and beyond?

This roster right now is put together with the equivalent of chicken wire and legos. The older guys cannot be depended on because they  are crickety. You breathe on Hinrich and Hamilton and they are out for two or more weeks. . Personally I would pretty well strip all of the old guys from the team for draft picks or young talent or expiring contracts. Whatever works. I would also begin negotiations with the big euros team to try and get him on board next year if possible or 2015 at the latest. If it entails trading Deng or Noah(not both) I would also consider it.

When I saw D Rose fall and tear his ACL my gut wrenched as all chicago..  I also tore my acl/mcl had sugery 8 months therapy took a year just to get to run let alone dunk a basketball,,  I was afraid his knee injury would take longer..   Not everyone is Adrian peterson and recovers that fast from that type injury..   Hopefully just maybe. he will be back for the playoffs ....But i wouldn't be surprised after hearing this news if he missed the season...But really even if he did come back could we beat the Heat with a injured  Noah & Rose coming off a torn ACL?  Maybe missing   the season is not that bad and will extend his  NBA career  and make him better in the long run ...  Go Bulls!

It is going to come accross weird but they should shut him down for the year and start rebuilding. Tank the year for better lottery position. Ie trade Boozer and Deng will do this alone. Take back exp deals to free up cap. The bottom line is the Bulls are not built to get past Mia. They need to dominate in the paint and on the bench to stand a chance. LBJ has proven he can guard Rose at 100% and the Bulls can't guard LBJ. That us not even getting into Wade or stilt. Who seems to wake up against Boozers soft play. Even if this team stands pat next year they are not going to the finals unless LBJ has major injury. Best bet is freeing cap, signing a legit inside scorer or trading for one if needed.

It is going to come accross weird but they should shut him down for the year and start rebuilding. Tank the year for better lottery position. Ie trade Boozer and Deng will do this alone. Take back exp deals to free up cap. The bottom line is the Bulls are not built to get past Mia. They need to dominate in the paint and on the bench to stand a chance. LBJ has proven he can guard Rose at 100% and the Bulls can't guard LBJ. That us not even getting into Wade or stilt. Who seems to wake up against Boozers soft play. Even if this team stands pat next year they are not going to the finals unless LBJ has major injury. Best bet is freeing cap, signing a legit inside scorer or trading for one if needed.

That does not make any sense.  Doesn't sound weird, just not very well thought out.

The Bulls already have 30 wins.  I doubt they get get bad enough to fall to a top 10 pick.  In the NBA if you are not picking 1 some years 2 or 3 you might as well be picking just about anywhere else.

There is no cap space for the Bulls. There is no FA.  One team was built through FA, one.  It is not the way to build in the NBA.  That team had collusion, players that took a bit less, and a rule set that does not exist anymore. 

The Bulls need to do the exact opposite of what you typed.  The Bulls will still have ~44 million in Rose, Noah, Gibson, Hinrich, Butler, Teague, and the Rookie they draft.  Another ~3 million in cap holds.

That is 47 million.  The MLE counts against the cap so that is 52 million or they can drop it.  The cap should be 58 mill again.  So they trade Deng and Boozer to sign a FA for 11 mill per and grab all min guys and they give up their MLE.

People who tout FA in basketball are not talking about something from a position of knowledge.  The Bulls are better off trading Hamilton and+ Garbage for a contract that expires next year that is as large as possible and taking a contract on for the trade exception.  They could move those Contracts next season for a good player who is overpaid. 

Getting better in the NBA is about getting over the cap.  Getting as many favorable contracts as possible.  Moving those contracts for for overpaid real good or better players.  Ultimately paying the tax. 

Getting better in the NBA is about getting over the cap.  Getting as many favorable contracts as possible.  Moving those contracts for for overpaid real good or better players.  Ultimately paying the tax.  

I agree with that part.


The basics are still the same.

Boozer disapears when the games counts.  Waste of cap.  

Deng is a great 3rd option.

Noah is a great player that does well at everything but is not a imposing force in the paint.


Shoot ran trade machine with the Lakers:

Howard and Gastal for Boozer/Deng and Noah.

I would argue that the team would be better post trade.  Pau and Howard can score.

The Lakers would be also due to Kobe is the scoring force and he needs role players around him. 

Shoot ran trade machine with the Lakers:

Howard and Gastal for Boozer/Deng and Noah.

I would argue that the team would be better post trade.

And you would be wrong. The Bulls would be taking shorter contracts, the oldest player and the the most injuried player.  The Bulls would basically giving up Deng, Boozer, and Noah for Howard and hope he signs as a FA.

That would be an awful move.

The basics are still the same.

Not the same at all.  Trying to gain cap space is the opposite of gathering contracts to make moves. 

Bulls would basically giving up Deng, Boozer, and Noah for Howard and hope he signs as a FA.

I'll disagree.  Howard is learning that a group of All starts doesn't mean they will win.   He is a D machine who would excell under a D minded coach.

Pau honestly fits fine on the team as a 4 that can stretch the field.

Both would lessen the load on Rose.

Now the rest of the line up can be turned over as far as I care. and put in role players.  But this gives Rose 2 bigs to go to.


I guess we will agree to disagree on this.

Boozer has proven that he disapears when the games count and that is why he is over paid.

Deng does every thing great but is not a dominate scorer in the league.

Noah same thing.

In the end it falls on Rose's shoulders to carry the team and he is coming off major injury.  I'd rather have more proven scorers around him.  If anything a thug like Howard would gain respect where other teams wouldn't close on Rose on his drives. 

Bulls would basically giving up Deng, Boozer, and Noah for Howard and hope he signs as a FA.

I'll disagree.  Howard is learning that a group of All starts doesn't mean they will win.   He is a D machine who would excell under a D minded coach.

Pau honestly fits fine on the team as a 4 that can stretch the field.

Both would lessen the load on Rose.

Now the rest of the line up can be turned over as far as I care. and put in role players.  But this gives Rose 2 bigs to go to.

Howard has proved himself to be a big time Coach Killer. Bad attitude. Plays only when he wants to. Even Kobe questions the guy's toughness and willingless to play through pain. Gasol's career is pretty much over and doesn't play a lick of defense. No thanks.

Im done waiting for Rose.  Every week its somthing new.  Now this week Thibs said he might miss the Entire Year.  Lasy week he will be back this year. 

Howard has proved himself to be a big time Coach Killer. Bad attitude. Plays only when he wants to. Even Kobe questions the guy's toughness and willingless to play through pain. Gasol's career is pretty much over and doesn't play a lick of defense. No thanks.

Ever thought it was due to going through a coach turnover and having a run and gun coach that doesn't enforce D on his team.

The bottom line is players want to win.  That is a fact.  D wins games.  Teams that run like the Lakers and the Suns and the Warriors are fun to watch but it comes down to making D stops and that is because of the coach.


Anyways does Boozer play D?  Last I checked he didn't either. 

I'll disagree.  Howard is learning that a group of All starts doesn't mean they will win.

What do you base this on?  All accounts are that he is unhappy with his shots. He is unhappy the Lakers did not allow him to pick the coach.  He wanted player and coach input when he was with the Magic.  He wants the same now.

He was hated by players and coaches when on the Magic.  The Lakers players and coaches don't like him

He does not practice hard and has been called out for it. 

It is ok to agree to dissagree, but don't tell me the Earth is flat and then say let's just agree to dissagree. 

Also Howard has an expiring contract and the Bulls could possibly lose him.  He has a bad back and not shoulder.  He is a bad FT shooter so he is going to continue to get fouled hard and put a lot of strain on his back and shoulder.  He will try to go up strong and jump up.  Players will just grab at him and pull him down.  His injuries will probably only get worse. 

Pau Gasol has a serious fot injury that may linger and is going to bw 33 in a few months. 

Deng does every thing great but is not a dominate scorer in the league.

Ok

Noah same thing.

OK.

The Bulls need another scorer.  If they lose everyone but rose to get it they are worse.  The Bulls can still Keep everyone and move Boozer + X/Y/Z and possibly get a really good scorer. 

Howard does not fit in with the Bulls and Gasol has very little value after the injury, for any team; while atleast until he proves himself. 

Both of the "plans" you had are not very well designed.  FA is not an option.  Trading Deng/Boozer/Noah for Howard is a horrible move.

Howard has proved himself to be a big time Coach Killer. Bad attitude. Plays only when he wants to. Even Kobe questions the guy's toughness and willingless to play through pain. Gasol's career is pretty much over and doesn't play a lick of defense. No thanks.

Ever thought it was due to going through a coach turnover and having a run and gun coach that doesn't enforce D on his team.

The bottom line is players want to win.  That is a fact.  D wins games.  Teams that run like the Lakers and the Suns and the Warriors are fun to watch but it comes down to making D stops and that is because of the coach.


Anyways does Boozer play D?  Last I checked he didn't either. 

What does "players want too win" mean? The Lakers cannot run anymore and Howard is not willing at all to adapt his game to win. Gasol never has played defense and has become more and more a liability due to age and injuries. He may be the most over-payed player in the NBA right now for how much he plays and the way he plays.

You were talking about trading two current all stars and a solid starting contributor for a guy who is on the way out(Gasol)) and a guy who is on the last year of a contract and will demand a max deal. Considering that they will have a new contract for Rose to consider pretty soon and have the future right now in good shape, bogging their cap down with an overpaid contract to Howard just doesn't make sense.

They could move those Contracts next season for a good player who is overpaid.

Eric Gordon, Joe Johnson.... overpaid? Or are you thinking a bit smaller?