#4 Michigan @ #8 Michigan State

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#4 Michigan @ #8 Michigan State

February 13, 2013 4:12 pm

I gotta hand to the Sparties, they dominated in every aspect of the game last night. Michigan just looked overwhelmed by the pressure of the whole situation, then ontop of that Sparty was relentless and flawless throughout the entire game. Blue needs to grow a set of balls because the big boys are coming to Crisler for one more game. Damn, i hope that wasn't a true indication of how good/bad Blue really is!!
Ziggy95
SinceJul 15, 2009
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#4 Michigan @ #8 Michigan State

February 13, 2013 6:05 pm

Congratulations to Michigan State for playing a great game and befuddling my Wolverines.  That was a classic beat down that Michigan was clearly not prepared for.  Wow!  But, I'll bet Michigan will be ready when Sparty comes to Ann Arbor. Wink
UMichGradFan
SinceMar 26, 2011
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#4 Michigan @ #8 Michigan State

February 13, 2013 11:43 pm

It was interesting to note the following line in today's Detroit Free Press by sports columnist Drew Sharp: They’re a “pretty boy” outfit. They’re strictly a perimeter team. If the threes fall, they’re dangerous. But they have no offensive contingencies when the jump shots aren’t falling. Michigan State proved equally effective from the perimeter as it was in the low post.
The notion that they are "pretty boy jump shooters" is an exaggeration. Now currently yes they are playing that way but this team right now is playing different than to the start of the season. Michigan was attacking inside and outside, taking advantage in transition, playing great in the halfcourt. Big part of their struggles is Glenn Robinson is just lost out there right now, his body language is bad, he's strong arming shots. Something in his development isn't working, at least that's my opinion.

They have fallen in love with the 3ball and that gets very frustrating, basketball at all levels has fallen in love with the long ball now days, but as they say "you live by the 3 you die by the 3". Michigan's talent isn't that of a 3point shooting team, just they are a young group so they are a little soft, this Big Ten play has to toughen them up a bit. Now Zach Novak would jack up them 3balls with the best of them but he wasn't a softy. These guys are freshmen, youngest team in the NCAA probably they have a ways to go. Michigan State ran them out of them gym and they didn't even get the best out of their players. State has scary good potential but this isn't the last of Michigan, they haave plenty left in the tank, the players just got to toughen up, they have the make up athletically, phyiscally.

2) The refs let the Spartans push us around!

3) The Spartans wouldn't let us take open shots!
Cleanly officiated game, but you're right the Spartans did push the Wolverines to ground and they beat them into submission. No open shots, nothin, the opportunities to attack the basket were there, Michigan's players definitely have the skill set to do so, but not the mind set. Look forward to seeing how this season ends for both teams would love to see 3 teams in the Final 4.


 
Michigan Sports
SinceApr 5, 2007
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#4 Michigan @ #8 Michigan State

February 15, 2013 9:39 am

Now currently yes they are playing that way but this team right now is playing different than to the start of the season. Michigan was attacking inside and outside, taking advantage in transition, playing great in the halfcourt.
Why is this? Is it possible the teams played have something to do with it?

No disrespect intended. Not trash talking. Just want to discuss this.

The first half of the seaon so far involved 13 teams (a good mix, too).
D-II (1)
D-IAA (4)
D-IA (8)
. ACC (1)
. Big East (1)
. Big XII (2)
. SEC (1)
. MAC (3) 

Home-Road-Neutral: 9-1-3
The average win loss for those 13 teams is 13.0 - 10.8.
The average RPI for those 13 teams is 155.0.
Top 25 teams: 2 (current AP); 10, 16
Top 26-50 teasm: 1 (received votes); 36
Teams with 20-plus wins: 1   
Teams with single digit losses: 5

UM Record: 13-0

The second half of the season so far involved 12 conference games.

Home-Road-Neutral: 5-7-0
The average win loss for those 12 opponents (if played twice, included 2x) is 16.5 - 8.4.
The average RPI  for those 12 opponents (if played twice, included 2x) is 55.8.
Top 25 opponents: 5 (current AP); 1, 8, 13 (2x), 20
Top 26-50 opponents: 2 (received votes); 26, 35
Teams with 20-plus wins: 2
Teams with single digit losses: 8

UM record: 8-4
All 4 losses to top 25 ranked teams.
All 4 losses were road games. 

The first part of the answer is that the competition was a step up in conference versus the OOC.
The second part of the answer is that the second half of the season was in-conference versus teams that know each other all too well.

What does UM have to look forward to in its final 6 conference games?

Home-Road-Neutral: 4-2-0
The average win loss for those 6 opponents (if played twice, included 2x) is 14.8 - 10.0.
The average RPI  for those 6 opponents (if played twice, included 2x) is 96.3.
Top 25 opponents: 2 (current AP); 1, 8
Top 26-50 opponents: 1 (received votes); 35
Teams with 20-plus wins: 2
Teams with single digit losses: 3

Best case: 6-0 (2 toughest games at home)
Worst case: 4-2 (2 top 10 opponents) 

The final part of the answer comes from an article that explained how the Spartans prepared.

[Free Press]

They were prepared. 
MSUSpartan76
SinceNov 17, 2007
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#4 Michigan @ #8 Michigan State

February 15, 2013 9:41 am

guess a link outside of CBS is verbotin...

http://www.freep.com/article/201302
14/SPORTS07/302140230/How-Michigan-
State-coaches-prepared-for-big-game
-against-Michigan?odyssey=nav%7Chead
MSUSpartan76
SinceNov 17, 2007
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#4 Michigan @ #8 Michigan State

February 15, 2013 11:15 am

of course the competition plays a big factor but they had some quality opponents in non-conference play (Pitt, Kansas St. North Carolina State)

like I said their struggles are because they are young, not lack of talent, not lack of ability, Glenn Robinson has been in a funk and the rest of the guys have been just fallin in love with the 3ball, these are guys that can all attack the basket and do it quite well

They are a weak team right now, coaching has to get on them and this whoopin Michigan State laid down should be enough for them to realize how soft they are. I've said I love both teams, Michigan needs to wake up and realize that they have a golden opportunity to make a Final 4 run. Michigan State could even be better, no Travis Trice, Adrien Payne can be MSU's best player and he had a below average performance to say the least. They get Mr. Basketball Matt Costello (Bay City Western) going the frontcourt will solidify itself as the best in the country.

Michigan Sports
SinceApr 5, 2007
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#4 Michigan @ #8 Michigan State

February 15, 2013 11:31 am

They are a weak team right now, coaching has to get on them and this whoopin Michigan State laid down should be enough for them to realize how soft they are.
I don't think they're weak, I think UM is a very talented team, just not to the level to which the pundits have elevated them. I wouldn't be surprised if they beat the Spartans in the return match. What I believe is that they play a style more suited to the Big East than the B1G and you have to place the blame for that on the coach. You can teach defense, rebounding and blocking out but it takes work and  time and you may lose games early on while it comes together, but it can pay off over the course of a season. Beilein had jump shooting seven footers at WV and he's tried to port that over to the B1G. It may work against the leagues lower tier but the good coaches figure it out over time.
Izzone
SinceSep 23, 2006
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#4 Michigan @ #8 Michigan State

February 15, 2013 11:59 am

it would be nice to defend michigan on some level after that game, but you just cant. there was nothing about that game that you could look at as a positve, state out hustled, shot and anything else you can think of. that game was such a disapointment that i only hope the young team can try and put it behind them. i wish i could say that i cant wait until they play again in ann arbor but now im scared of another beat down

go blue
tbear7721
SinceJan 21, 2007
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#4 Michigan @ #8 Michigan State

February 15, 2013 6:45 pm

The best part of that game was at the beginning of the telecast when they showed UM players warming up in their "We On" shirts and MSU fans wearing their "You Off" t shirts. My wife and I looked at each other and just laughed even though we are both from A2. That was awesome though...props to Sparty fans.
BlackshirtD4Evr
SinceFeb 13, 2007
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#4 Michigan @ #8 Michigan State

February 17, 2013 10:13 am

I and a few million others had the same reaction.
MSUSpartan76
SinceNov 17, 2007
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#4 Michigan @ #8 Michigan State

February 17, 2013 3:05 pm

Michigan better concentrate on PSU before they think about Sparty.

No problem.  Slow start but strong finish.  The young Michigan team is getting its confidence back.  On the other hand, Ohio State suffers a beat down at Wisconsin . . . it happens to every team that doesn't bring its best effort to each game, especially at this time in the season and especially in the
B1G.
UMichGradFan
SinceMar 26, 2011
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#4 Michigan @ #8 Michigan State

February 17, 2013 10:11 pm

The young Michigan team is getting its confidence back. On the other hand, Ohio State suffers a beat down at Wisconsin . . . it happens to every team that doesn't bring its best effort to each game, especially at this time in the season and especially in the B1G. 

hear hear, my erudite friend.  Burke is amazing...was good to see Robinson clicking too.  The McGary feed to Robinson for the slam was classic stuff.  

ps...heard the lake levels are way down this year...you have a swing keel on that boat of yours?   
H2S
SinceJun 13, 2011
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#4 Michigan @ #8 Michigan State

February 18, 2013 7:24 pm

ps...heard the lake levels are way down this year...you have a swing keel on that boat of yours?   
Yes, the "Starkeeper" has a swing keel, thank heavens, . . . the lake levels are VERY low.  We have a lot of snow in northern Michigan but not much ice on the lake--the temperatures have been too warm.  All that aside, though, I've always liked the swing keel because I could run the boat right up to the beach (or nearly--the water only needs to be two feet deep, which is pretty good for a twenty-five footer) and not have to use the dinghy that much. Also, I can moor this boat just about anywhere.  On a side note . . . I actually thought about having some refurbishing work done on the boat this winter but decided to hold off a bit.  It's in really good shape but not as pretty as she once was. 
UMichGradFan
SinceMar 26, 2011
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#4 Michigan @ #8 Michigan State

February 18, 2013 7:30 pm

It's in really good shape but not as pretty as she once was.

posh. 
she's in her prime. 
just like her captain. 
H2S
SinceJun 13, 2011
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#4 Michigan @ #8 Michigan State

February 18, 2013 7:36 pm

LOL, H2S.
UMichGradFan
SinceMar 26, 2011