Jordan Picks Kobe

jefe,

I think ti's time to update our Heat Haters club.  You've got to be a loyal hater to be in our group.  Guys like Go, KM, and piss-tons clearly aren't Heat Haters.

So yes, you are indeed a fairweather fan.  How can you be a Nets fan and support LeBron James?  That's super-soft.  It's yet another indicator of how there are no rivalries in the NBA anymore.  At least your boy Reggie Evans has the idea.  Jordan played his entire career with a giant target on his back.  LeBron has people constantly riding his dick, and he still isn't nearly as successful.

I'm still a Nets fan, just because I like Lebron James doesn't mean I'm not a Nets fan or a fairweather fan. And the Nets aren't even rivals with the Heat or Lebron. Maybe if I was a Knicks or Celtics fan you would be right, but Nets v Heat isn't a rivalry. The only rivalry the Nets have is with the Knicks and I don't say anything good about them. Just because I'm a Nets fan doesn't mean I can't appreciate opposing players game.

Lebron is a fantastic player.  He is just now coming into his prime.  He plays a game that might one day exceed Jordan.

No he won't.  Why?  Because I know.

I think ti's time to update our Heat Haters club.  You've got to be a loyal hater to be in our group.  Guys like Go, KM, and piss-tons clearly aren't Heat Haters.

I think you're taking things too seriously...

Let's put it this way - Having had the privilege of seeing Jordan play with the Bulls (unlike the loud-mouth little kids of this board), I know that he isn't one who would try an force his legacy like LeBron did. 

He was a man who put the gam ahead of the fame.

Ten years from now, you will thank me because HurricaneDij told you so.

I think you're taking things too seriously...   

Am I?  Obviously you aren't cool enough to be part of the Heat Haters club. 

Let's put it this way - Having had the privilege of seeing Jordan play with the Bulls (unlike the loud-mouth little kids of this board), I know that he isn't one who would try an force his legacy like LeBron did.

Jordan played in the 90s... thats not too long ago. You act as if it was 40 years ago. And you said somewhere that you just turned 25... meaning you were just 10 in 1998, so its not like you knew a lot when you were watching him..

Exactly.  Those two series the Bulls played against Utah were so brutal it was more than a younster like myself could handle.  I just don't see that same intensity in the NBA today. <br />

Then let's hear your argument, if you have one?

Ok fair enough, I'll try to give a cliff-notes version. Personally, I don't count bigger,faster etc. as to who was the better player. Lebron has better genetics, good for him.  Better offensive player-MJ. Better post game,more reliable jumper, better shot maker, made teamates better(Lebron does that well too, but Jordan made a superstar out of Scottie Pippen). What I can give Lebron on offense is that he's a better passer although Jordan was no slouch. Defense-That's a push to me because both were elite defenders, and before I get the Lebron can guard big men as well, I'll just say how I feel about that. Lebron does a good job at guarding finesse big men, but he struggles against true back to the basket big men. One thing I do know is that he surely couldn't guard the big men of the 90's. Another thing is that Jordan faced far more stiffer defenses than the defenses of today where you can't hand check....but for comparisons sake, there were no zones back then as well, but imo the bad boy Pistons, and the Knicks were 2 of the roughest defenses around and the rules back then allowed for them to MAUL Jordan. Also, 4th quarter, clutch shots, will to win, that is unquestioned and will never be matched by Lebron. In fact it's a bit unfair to Lebron to think it will.....and to those who think Jordan is saying this because Lebron is "threatning his legacy", is sort of laughable to me with all due respect. I won't even list ALL of the accolades, but Jordan is 6 for 6 in NBA Finals and never fell on his face in a Finals like Lebron did. I can see if Lebron was undefeated in the Finals at 6 rings, trying to get a 7th, then maybe you guys would have a point. I don't wanna come off as a Lebron hater because the guy is a great player, but MJ is MJ man.

jefe,

I think ti's time to update our Heat Haters club.  You've got to be a loyal hater to be in our group.  Guys like Go, KM, and piss-tons clearly aren't Heat Haters.

'Cane, the HHC has been trolled by non-Haters a lot worse than those guys for months on end.  In fact, so-called "Heat fans" have basically taken up permanent residence there, at the exclusion of posting anywhere else.  It's pretty funny actually...well funny and pathetic at the same time...I think they fancy themselves quixotic crusaders in some lame misguided attempt to try and convert Heat Haters into Heat admirerers, which of course is hysterically lame.

Better offensive player-MJ. Better post game,more reliable jumper, better shot maker

If their career shooting % is about the same, with M. Jordan playing 3 years in college while L. James came straight out of HS, is it really true?

MJ. made teamates better(Lebron does that well too, but Jordan made a superstar out of Scottie Pippen).

 Really, L. James made the finals with nobody, without Pippen, M. Jordan didn't even sniff a finals.   By the way, S. Pippen is a hall of famer, top all time 50 player and one of the most versatile player of all time.   Jordan played with Pippen in his (Pippen's) prime while L. James plays with Wade near the end of Wade's career.   By the way, Pippen was 1 game away from the finals twice without M. Jordan.

James has higher assist numbers, how could it be?   

Defense-That's a push to me because both were elite defenders, and before I get the Lebron can guard big men as well, I'll just say how I feel about that. Lebron does a good job at guarding finesse big men, but he struggles against true back to the basket big men

James can solidly guard 1-4, how many positions can M. Jordan play great defense on?

Also, 4th quarter, clutch shots, will to win, that is unquestioned and will never be matched by Lebron. In fact it's a bit unfair to Lebron to think it will...

I gave Jordan that, but James' career is not over, never say never
   

.....and to those who think Jordan is saying this because Lebron is "threatning his legacy", is sort of laughable to me with all due respect.

I am not sure if all your points are made, they've been challenged though?
















































                                                    

obviously with the r.ape Kobe is the more aggressive player.. JUST THE FACTS.

Jordan is a team owner, and I can give you a HUGE reason why a team owner would choose Kobe over Lebron: LOYALTY.  If you are going to choose a marquis player to invest in, you probably don't want the guy that can decide so easily to leave you on a whim.

Didn't the Bulls make the Conf finals without MJ?... and Rings are a team accomplishment meaing in a large market and a $100 million payroll every yr in a league with NO salary cap or a real salary cap (like the NFL) until recently,  you should have several Rings .... JUST THE FACTS

 If you are going to choose a marquis player to invest in, you probably don't want the guy that can decide so easily to leave you on a whim.

Like Kobe, who requested a trade from the Lakers?  

Bluffing is a known and respected negotiating tactic.  Kobe is still on the Lakers.  Gilbert and the Cavs gave Lebron the max offer and everything else that they could, but Lebron walked anyway.

Let's put it this way then.  This is the reality of the situation.  If you are a team owner and you choose Kobe or DWade, then you will also get Lebron because Lebron will come to you.

Jordan Picks Kobe

Jordan also picked Kwame Brown with the #1 pick and Adam Morrison with #3.  Just sayin'.

Jordan also picked Kwame Brown with the #1 pick and Adam Morrison with #3.  Just sayin'.    

 



Thats not the same though and you know it. It is one thing to not be good at picking potential talent for the future of the NBA and them not panning out, but in this case Michael is comparing himself to the current roster of players in the NBA that appears to have the best talent that matches what he did and as he correctly pointed out - a player with 5 championships as the starting shooting guard of a team with the second highest totals of championship titles in the NBA - comes closer to his titles and accomplishments than a player with only one championship.  Now on the other hand, Lebron has not finished his career - and I think there is a good chance he will win more championships - but he has to go through the fire and do it first and like it or not - nearly all players in the NBA agree that the toughest battle there is - is another championship and I am not talking about a second rate player like Horry who comes off the bench and hits those lucky threes at the right time for three different teams.  I am talking about a player with the same team who has started all of his career,  been in two international Olympics, been in all of the all star games in his career and numerous other accomplishments. 


Quite simple - Let Lebron finish his career - His career will speak for itself by the time he is done - If he is as good as most everyone thinks(and he probably is)       

"Quite simple - Let Lebron finish his career - His career will speak for itself by the time he is done - If he is as good as most everyone thinks(and he probably is)  "


First of all, Jordan has proven that he's a horrible GM.

His argument of 5>1 is stupid, becuase h gace no other reason for the selection other then that.

So based on his own illogical thinking, he is saying he would rather have Horry ten either of them.


As far as Kobe/James.  More then likely James will have LEAD his team to as many titles as Kobe has in half the years.

You (Kobe) can't be in the converstaion for GOAT when he wasn't even the best player on his team for 60% of his rings.                 

Thats not the same though and you know it. It is one thing to not be good at picking potential talent for the future of the NBA and them not panning out, but in this case Michael is comparing himself to the current roster of players in the NBA that appears to have the best talent that matches what he did and as he correctly pointed out - a player with 5 championships as the starting shooting guard of a team with the second highest totals of championship titles in the NBA - comes closer to his titles and accomplishments than a player with only one championship.  Now on the other hand, Lebron has not finished his career - and I think there is a good chance he will win more championships - but he has to go through the fire and do it first and like it or not - nearly all players in the NBA agree that the toughest battle there is - is another championship and I am not talking about a second rate player like Horry who comes off the bench and hits those lucky threes at the right time for three different teams.  I am talking about a player with the same team who has started all of his career,  been in two international Olympics, been in all of the all star games in his career and numerous other accomplishments. 


Quite simple - Let Lebron finish his career - His career will speak for itself by the time he is done - If he is as good as most everyone thinks(and he probably is)      

I can respect your view; however, there's no question at this time L. James is a much much better player being 6 years younger.

Now hypothetically, who would you pick first to start a franchise at the same age and their best years are still ahead?   K. Bryant or L. James?