77 was the pace pre-blow up...that's about what they should expect this year....which is why I say they spent nearly the same amount of money and ended up with pretty much the same team....the more things change..I love that you keep humping word choice like 15M is a cavernous amount of difference between the payrolls
I like how "virtually identical" is now "nearly the same"
And again...the team is better from an organizational stand point...if sox fans have illusions of winning the WS this year? That's their fault...
I agree...I'm saying they're a team that will be within a few games of .500 which is what we saw all year last year...but they are doing so SPENDING $15m less (about the size of 1 sizeable MLB contract) aka "more flexbilirt" as in additional future flexibility with dumping horrible contracts on the Dodgers...
which has what to do with the payroll currently?
The farm system is vastly improved, especially in the MLB ready pitching department...
no, they just have more POTENTIAL upside than victorino, gomes, dumpster, and napoli.
and I'd rather spend the extra 15M and get the potential upside of agonz, crawford, and beckett
LOL...now Beckett and Crawford have "upside"
Got to ****ing love this guy...never fails to contridict YEARS of bashing guys after they are shipped out....
ummm so you'd rather get gomes and dempster for 2 years and victo for 3 years
the known awfulness that is gomes, victorino, and dempster. gomes, victorino, and dempster...plus the injury probability of napoli
Less risk, Gomes is a 2 year deal for not much money, and the other 3 are off the books in 3 years or less.
This wasn't the FA market to toss money around in....I like they approach, not so much the guys they spent on...but the approach was the rigth one this year.
If they get a bounce back year from Victorino and Drew? This offseason looks a lot better....I have low expectations for Dempster (mediocre to sub-mediocre) and Napoli (won't play 100n games)....
victorino isnt what he wascool...he was a slightly better than average player "before"....so....awful now
he also isnt awful
baltimore's pythag was 82-80...they got incredibly lucky....its not like its a given that you win a lot of games you shouldn't with a good bpThey got lucky....and you agree with me about the red sox not having those guys
and the Red Sox don't have the starters to get 500+ innings of sub-4 ERA...they just don't
They had 5 guys with at least 160 ERA+ with at least 50 innings each...
There was luck...but lets not overblow it here because of Pthag...
But to a greater point... Red Sox actually getting 5 guys with a 160 era this year...well? Yeah, they be dreaming of pipes..
still haven't figured out that "context" thing eh?put it this way
I was referring to their "upside" ONLY in relation to what you can reasonably expect out of gomes, victorino, dempster, and napoli
I get it. I just don't know if you are right. AGonz wasn't setting the world on fire in Boston last year and, while I would expect better this year if he were still there, I'm not sure if he was heading back to being an All-star again. Crawford is definitely a question mark after that surgery. I'm not sure WHAT to expect from him. The dropoff from Crawford to Victorino might not be all that great. And Beckett is Beckett. We know what he had become in Boston. Certainly better than Dempster, but nothing special, either.
And if you don't think Lackey an dempster represent significant upgrades over what they got from Cook, Fice-K and bard last year? You're ****ing nuts....and down conveniently forgot that they're replacing beckett as well...cook and dice-k combine to equal one awful starter...beckett is the other....I'd go with even year beckett + one awful starter over two guaranteed awful starters
See. I disagree. I think Lackey and Dempster effin suck. Between Cook, Dice-K, Lackey and Dempster you have a bunch of guys in the bottom 10% of MLB-caliber starters. I'm not including Bard in that dialogue because he never should have been a starter in the first place!
cool...he was a slightly better than average player "before"....so....awful now that he is a Red Sox"sub mediocre isn't awful!"
have a good weekend, gents
agonz really bad year last year is about the best case scenario you can get from napoli....and its a pretty safe bet agonz is going to improvethat's the thing....they shedded those contracts and signed more bad ones!
beckett is in an even year....and dumpster sucks...lackey sucks....of those three you'd choose dumpster or lackey? no you wouldn't
and crawfod is a question mark...but at worst, you get league average production from nava in his stead in stead of leage average production for 13M...this one probably isn't the best argument for me...but it crawford is back to being what he was, his upside is still better than victorino's
I don't really disagree with what you wrote. But the ability to shed all those crappy contracts outweighs the "potential upside" from AGonz, Crawford and Beckett this year. It's not like those 3 make the Red Sox into title contenders. Crawford is a HUGE question mark. Beckett had checked out and had enough of Boston. AGonz is certainly better than Napoli, but Napoli is on a short deal and gives them more flexibility for the position going forward. AGonz just seemed to check out last year. Somehow Bobby V. playing him in the outfield seemed to ruin him. Not sure why, but I'm not shedding any tears about those guys being gone. Their replacements might not be as good this year, but it will look better down the road.