we will simply watch a legend in the making with the Heat!
he should just zip his mouth if he is insecure.Simple Jack, let's see if you can combine these two skill sets...please feel free to go ahead and watch your "legend in the making" while zipping your mouth. That'd be great, thanks!
ill zip my mouth if u wear some clothes???
The fact remains that LeBron left to join other people (other stars). Talk about "supporting casts" all you want, but facts are still facts.
Regardless of whether or not you believe LeBron has what it take to surpass MJ as the greatest ever - Until that happens, it's not up for debate. Jordan is still the greatest. The only player ever debatable is Bill Russell because of how he dominated the 60's.It's debatable because every generation is going to have a different perception of who is the greatest of all time. Several years ago it was probably less disputed that Russell or Chamberlain was the best player ever. The same will happen to Jordan several years from now when the perception changes and the new perception will be that some kid that isn't even born yet is the greatest ever.
Yes the facts are James leads the Heat in points, rebounds, assists and steals this season as he did the same last season, including PER.Nuthugger Doors,
If not for Bosh leading in boards (8.3 to James' 7.5) their first year together, he would have done the above in all 3 seasons. He's the one carrying the load for the Heat.
None of that changes the fact that he tried to SCRIPT his own legacy. Jordan didn't get to script his legacy.Jordan signed and 8yr deal in 1988. He most certainly had a chance to script his legacy. He just got lucky that the pieces fell around him, while crying for his 8yr deal to be restructured to get more money
Jordan signed and 8yr deal in 1988. He most certainly had a chance to script his legacy.But did he, or did he work for it? Did he not turn scrub big men like Will Perdue, Bill Cartwright, and Bill Wennington into championship role players? His presence helped develop Scottie Pippen from a no-name from Central Arkansas into an All-Star himself. If LeBron is such an elite-level playmaker and distributor, how come he couldn't make anything of the scrubs he had in Cleveland?
But did he, or did he work for it?
His presence helped develop Scottie Pippen from a no-name from Central Arkansas into an All-Star himself.
Did he not turn scrub big men like Will Perdue, Bill Cartwright, and Bill Wennington into championship role players?LMAO at your sugesstion that MJ MADE those Centers into championship role players. It's called Phil's system and coaching.
If LeBron is such an elite-level playmaker and distributor, how come he couldn't make anything of the scrubs he had in Cleveland?Because you can't help scrubs become better shooters by passing them the ball. That's on the player to become a better shooter. James couldn't pass them the ball and shoot it for them.
You know, I don't understand this mentality. Okay, so everybody praises Lebron for leading his team in several statistical categories, but here's the question: does he need to do those things? Here's the thing. Lebron accumulates these stats, but the net effect to the overall team is virtually zero because the stats he gets come from cannibalizing the stats of his teammates. Lebron is grabbing more rebounds than he ever has in his career, but the Heat are one of the worst rebounding teams in the league. When you investigate further, you find they aren't so much net additions.
Chris Bosh was a 24 point 10.8 rebound 2.4 assist guy (24/10.8/2.4) in Toronto.
His first year with the Heat, he dropped to 18.7/8.3/1.9.
The next year, he dropped to 18/7.9/1.8.
This year, he's 17.7/7.4/1.5.
What the heck is going on?
Dwayne Wade before the Lebron-Bosh era was a 26.6/4.8/6.5 guy.
The first year of the Lebron-Bosh era, he drops to 25.5/6.4/4.6.
The next year, he drops further to 22.1/4.8/4.6.
This year, he's 21/4.9/4.8.
Meanwhile, Lebron was 29.7/7.3/8.6 when last with the Cavs.
First year on the Heat, he's 26.7/7.5/7.
The second year, he's 27.1/7.9/6.2.
This year, he's 27.3/8.2/6.9.
We can see that Wade and especially Bosh are shedding stats as Lebron gains them, so it seems that Lebron is cannibalizing their stats, and it doesn't really result in big net positives on the overall team's bottomline. From a team point of view, 39 rebounds per game is 39 rebounds per game, no matter if Bosh got 10 and Lebron got 6 or if Bosh got 7 and Lebron got 9. So what's the big deal with wanting one player on your team to monopolize your team's stats? In fact, if you're from that school of "getting everyone involved," shouldn't you want the opposite?
He worked for it, then got better coaching and teammates.So now Jordan's coaches made him. OK, then. Now tell me - Between Jordan, Phil, Scottie, Rodman, Grant, etc, who was with the team first?
...And he averaged what, 7 PPG as a rookie? Who helped develop him in his early years? And don't say it was Phil. Scottie arrived in 1987 while Phil arrived in 1989. Pippen's numbers grew each year in large part of the presence of Jordan.
He might have not been a household name but you don''t get drafted 5th overall without potential being seen
Just like James did but has led his team in 4 of the 5 major catagories while with the Heat. Plus while with the Cavs. Why no answer to my MJ question last post?Age-old argument - James has the stats, Jordan has the titles.
Because you can't help scrubs become better shooters by passing them the ball. That's on the player to become a better shooter. James couldn't pass them the ball and shoot it for them.The "supporting cast" excuse only gets you so far. Not saying LeBron sucks, just that he couldn't hold Jordan's jock.
