.I think if I had to choose between the two, Star's potential to become a dominant player and also his scheme versatility makes me lean toward him more.
Based on everything I've read, I would definitely take Floyd over Loutlelei at this point. Not only does Lotulelei have possible health concerns (Heart condition) but I've also heard several scouts question his motor. Now he may get cleared medically but I would never waste a top 5 pick on someone who has a questionable work ethic.
We dont need a 3 tech guy we need a massive run stopper. NT or DT doesn't matter as long as he can overpower blockers. We aren't looking for an interior leverage rusher. Have had enough of those. Star fits what we need.
So often times teams draft a certain player and put him in a system he has never played in and than wonder why its not working. Dorsey and his best season was his rookie year when I believe they where running a 4 3 defense which he only played at LSU if Im not mistaken.Devilraid, this is a really good point. That definitely happened to Dorsey and Jackson. John Chavis (DC at LSU) plays primarily a 43. He did a decent amount of zone blitzing, but he pretty much always 1-gaps. KC didn't. So right away, Pioli/Haley/Crennell, et al are taking away a few areas of Dorsey/Jackson's game that helped them get drafted so high in the first place. My biggest hope is that whoever we draft can fit in to what we want to do, or that we're willing to tailor some things to their skill set/avoid another Greg Knapp type scenario.
Coach, Ellis is part of my turf theory. Ellis played on natural grass his collegiant career at USC and was a stud, studly enough to be considered and drafted in the top ten. He gets drafted by a dome team that plays 8 games a year on that green concrete. I just dont think the body adapts particularly on the trenches, when you have played a majority of your career on grass surfaces leading up to that.
Orlando Pace wasnt he a Buckeye and played on that green concrete for OSU? He gets drafted by Stl. Stays on that green concrete for most of his career. Goes to a natural grass surface in Chicago and flames out. Now his age could have something to do with it as well. But Torry Holt and Isaac Bruce also both flamed out. Marshal Faulk had problems playing on grass after being drafted by a dome team in Indy and traded to a dome team in Stl.
I honestly cant think of too many guys that have been able to play on both kinds of surfaces at a high level particularly in the trenches. Lincoln Kennedy was another guy that flamed out in Atlanta, on a dome surface and comes to Oakland and is one of the best offensive lineman in all of football, was he not?
What I like about players like Dorsey, Ellis, Okoye, Rivers and some of the other former first round busts that are hitting the market is there isnt a lot of faith in them. Not many teams are gonna be willing to offer than an opportunity, certainly not to start, where as with the holes the Raiders have particularly on defense they can offer in the least the opportunity to start. Those guys big pay days are long behind them and they are gonna have to prove they belong and gonna have to do it for more than one year.
i just feel as tho we simply cannot afford to miss on our #3 pick and im more in favor of going with the cleaner player. that being said, floyd or warmack fits the bill for me.Kiff, I agree 100%. We've got a shortage of difference-makers on this team. We've got some solid guys whose game could be helped by a home run-type player, though. Which brings me to this ...
What I like about players like Dorsey, Ellis, Okoye, Rivers and some of the other former first round busts that are hitting the market is there isnt a lot of faith in them. Not many teams are gonna be willing to offer than an opportunity, certainly not to start, where as with the holes the Raiders have particularly on defense they can offer in the least the opportunity to start. Those guys big pay days are long behind them and they are gonna have to prove they belong and gonna have to do it for more than one year.I really like these types of guys as an option to build up our roster. None of them have turned into the Pro-Bowlers that sports writers were hyping them up to be. But the ones who still have the desire can be very good players. I think all of them could go a long way towards helping us shore up our roster. All of them will come cheap, and all of them have the talent to do well ... just haven't put it all together for one reason or another. I'd much rather have a roster with those guys playing around our difference-makers, as opposed to a bunch of less-talented UDFAs and late-rounders.
They have to hit on that draft pick. There is a very real possibility that Star or Floyd wont be there when the Raiders draft 3rd overall.I don't think so, Devil. With KC cutting Winston and the Jags cutting, pretty much, their entire starting DB core, I think Luke Joeckel and Dee Milliner are all but gone. Personally, unless the player we absolutely want is there at 3, I could see us actually having that chance to trade down now.