Hue Jackson Raiders GM?

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Hue Jackson Raiders GM?

March 5, 2013 10:44 pm

This is not the Hue Jackson most football fans have come to know. He is seated on the edge of his king bed in a downtown Indianapolis hotel room, the smell of onions from room service heavy in the air. He is talking softly and slowly -- a strong contrast from his one season as Raiders' head coach in 2011.

Back then Jackson spoke boldly and loudly. One of his favorite words was "bully," something he wanted his team to do to opponents. But on this night Jackson is contrite and confused, openly questioning how his career could go from the fast lane to the off-ramp practically overnight.

Surely it has nothing to do with his ability to coach -- if there's one thing Jackson can do, it's coach. He excelled as an assistant with Washington, Cincinnati, Atlanta and Baltimore, and in his two seasons with the Raiders, the last as head coach, he took an offense that ranked 31st among 32 teams and transformed it into a unit that finished 10th in 2010 and ninth in '11 in total yards. It also ranked second and seventh in rushing yards, dramatic improvements over the 21st- and 28th-place finishes it had in the seasons immediately before and after he joined the Raiders.

So what gives?

Jackson knows but he doesn't know. He's heard it has to do with others perceiving him as a power-hungry opportunist who'll step on or over anyone to climb the professional ladder. He denies it.

He has heard it's because he's brash and confident, a "me guy" in a world that prefers "team guys" -- or who at least pretend to be team guys. He definitely is confident and, at times, brash. But a me guy? No way, he says.

Still, despite doing a phenomenal job with the Raiders offense, he couldn't find a job on the offensive side of the ball after being fired in Oakland (newly hired general manager Reggie McKenzie wanted to bring in his "own guy"). He also received only one interview for a coordinator position this offseason despite eight teams changing head coaches (Carolina coach Ron Rivera elected to stay in house and promote Mike Shula).

Several general managers, who spoke about Jackson's situation under the condition their names be kept confidential, either because he doesn't work for their organization or because they've worked with him in the past and don't want to create a potentially awkward situation, said at the Scouting Combine that Jackson is a talented offensive coach who would do well as a coordinator, a title he has held twice since entering the NFL in 2001. But ...

"Sometimes these things are about comfort hires," said one executive. "It's hard to hire a very confident individual that has stepped out of the box, so to speak, which Hue has on occasion. When head coaches are making that hire, they're going to be a little cautious because they feel he might threaten their position. You have some who don't hire someone who's more qualified and might take their job and hurt their credibility. The people who are successful in this business don't think that way, but you have some who do."

The general managers traced Jackson's situation back to his final game as Oakland's coach in 2011.

The Raiders could have made the playoffs for the first time since the 2002 season with a win, but instead they failed to force a punt and were beaten 38-26 by the visiting Chargers. Instead of following his usual routine of showering and clearing his head before meeting with the media, Jackson went directly from his meeting with the players to his session with the media. He prefaced his remarks by saying he accepted responsibility for the team, said he accepted responsibility for the club's performance, but then appeared to quickly distance himself from the players.

"I'm pissed at my team," Jackson said. "At some point in time as a group of men you go in the game and you can say whatever you want about coaches, [but] you win the game. Here's your time. Here's your time to make some plays. We didn't get them stopped and we didn't make enough plays. Yeah, I'm pissed at the team. Like I tell them I always put it on me, but I am pissed at my team because when you have those kind of opportunities you've got to do it, and we didn't do it."

Jackson, whose biggest supporter, owner Al Davis, died midway through the season, was asked if he was going to take a stronger hand in solidifying a porous defense.

"I'm going to take a stronger hand in this whole team, this whole organization," he said, fully aware that Davis' son, Mark, planned to hire a general manager in the offseason. "There ain't no way that I'm going to feel like I feel today a year from now. I promise you that. I ain't feeling like this no more. This is a joke. To have a chance at home to beat a football team that is reeling after being beaten in Detroit, who's one of your rivals and they come in here and beat us like that. I'm going to take a hand in everything."

Many outsiders viewed that comment as a power grab, with one rival executive saying, "Perception in this business is reality. Some owners hear that and say, 'I don't want that guy in our building because of the way he challenged ownership when he was going down.'"

Jackson has said repeatedly he regrets his word choice in that situation, but not the message he was sending to the team. "I will never make that mistake again in terms of the way that I spoke, but I wasn't how I was portrayed, like I was throwing everybody under the bus, that I wanted to be the general manager, that I wanted to be this or that," he said recently. "People would have had to have lived in my shoes that year, or since I was hired, to know what I was going through. If I could, I'd do it differently. My intentions were not to come off like I was the end-all or be-all, as some people have told me I did."

Jackson claims that before being hired as offensive coordinator in 2010, Al Davis offered him the position of general manager. Jackson says he turned it down because his passion is coaching and working with players. He says he and Davis never discussed him taking the head coach position -- contrary to speculation that he accepted the coordinator position with an eye on the top job, held by Tom Cable at the time.

Rather than live in the past, Jackson, who'll coach the Bengals' running backs this season, wants to look ahead. He says he's seeking nothing more than an opportunity, which he really hasn't gotten since being fired. Despite breathing life into an Oakland offense that was among the walking dead, taking it from 197 points the year before his arrival to 357 points in his first season, he has been interviewed just twice for a coordinator job, in St. Louis in 2012 and Carolina this year.

[PERLOFF: Winning a playoff game is a realistic goal for Cincinnati in 2013]

"I get surprised by some of the things that are said about me," Jackson said. "Look, I'm not shy. A lot of people in this business go along to get along, and I respect that. But when you ask me an honest question, I'm going to give you an honest answer. I don't think some people like that sometimes. But this thing is about winning. That's what it's always been. Some people don't like that. Some people run from confrontation. I don't run from confrontation. I never have. Some people want you to cower, and there is a time for all of that. But if you ask me something I'm going to tell you.

"Everybody is not for everybody. I'm very vocal, I'm very vocal with my players, I'm very confident in what I'm able to do, and sometimes people take that the wrong way. But I can't worry about what the next man is thinking. My challenge is, go look at what I've coached, who I've coached, go talk to the players and ask them. If you did that you'd get an entirely different description of me. My challenge is to get people to bring me in and let me challenge them on the things that they've heard, because I'm not who some people have painted me to be. I've asked several people who I trust in this business what's going on, but they tell me to be patient, that things will work out."

The fact that Jackson's style is even being discussed could be construed as comical, since brash and bold is celebrated with other coaches (see: anyone with the surname Ryan). But, as one general manager said, Jackson simply needs to put his head down and keep marching forward. Time, he said, should wash anyway any negative stigmas. But will it?

"You have to separate the personal from the professional," said another executive. "The professional isn't the problem with Hue -- it's the personal. The person that hires him [as a coordinator or head coach] is going to have to be comfortable with the personal, because this business is all about relationships."


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tenneyx4
SinceFeb 11, 2007
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Hue Jackson Raiders GM?

March 5, 2013 10:46 pm

Really long article but worth the read, especially if youre watching Lakers play OKC. Do you buy it?
tenneyx4
SinceFeb 11, 2007
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Hue Jackson Raiders GM?

March 5, 2013 10:55 pm

I really doubt Al Davis would take a guy in off the street who has a minimal coaching experience (never even a HC at the time) and has never had any type of executive role offer him a GM position....something Al Davis was stongly against.
tenneyx4
SinceFeb 11, 2007
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Hue Jackson Raiders GM?

March 5, 2013 11:31 pm

Davis had defacto Gms at points and time did he not? What was Ron Wolf all those years? Mike Lombardi loves to claim he was. Bruce Allen was here in some capacity as a GM during the Gruden years.

I know he offered Matt Millen a role here after being fired in Detroit. He offered Mike Mayock a position.

The thing I always remember reading and hearing about Al Davis was that he spoke very few words but he listened. I think he wanted as much information from other people as he could get and than determine for himself what was the best rte to go.

devilraid316
SinceMar 11, 2007
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Hue Jackson Raiders GM?

March 5, 2013 11:35 pm

I truly believe if Al Davis was still alive that Hue Jackson would still be with the team, maybe not as GM but definitely as head coach. I also think we would be much better off right now if Mark would have kept Hue as head coach. Something about Allen and his passive style just gets under my skin.

The article brings out a good point about cocky or confident coaches most people above that coach are scared of the guy taking there job. Most people who are successful have a brash confidence about them, it just goes hand in hand with success. I think Hue had that brashness about him and it hurt him with ownership but it really helped with the team itself. 
hateall31
SinceApr 14, 2007
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Hue Jackson Raiders GM?

March 5, 2013 11:44 pm

My other post didnt take. I dont think Hue was offered that job. I liked Hue, he definetly grew on me. But it seemed like Al Davis always attached a carrot to the end of the stick for his coaches. Telling them there where more opportunities down the road for them than just coaching.

I remember he wanted Steve S however you spell his last name to be the head coach after he fired Art Shell the 2nd time, but he wanted Lane Kiffin as the offensive coord and Steve S didnt like Kiffin and wanted to name his own offensive coord and thats when Al gave the job to Kiffin.

For me Davis and Jackson where polar opposites. Davis rarely talked, Jackson rarely shut up. Davis showed little emotion, where Jackson was always emotional. And I think with as little as Davis did talk that Jackson probably misheard something because he was getting ready to talk again and was trying to form in his brain what to say in response.

I imagine the conversation that took place in 2010 was, "Hubert my boy I would like for you to come on board with Da Raidazz".
Hue : Who is this? Davis : " This is Mr. Davis the Gm and owner of the Oakland Raidazz." Jackson : " Mr. Davis Im honered that you would consider me for the Gm of the Raiders, but Im really only interested in coaching at this point and time." Davis : " I dont even know who this guy is, who am I talking to again, Mark?" Mark Davis : " Dad, its Hue Jackson". Davis : " Hubert, my boy would you like to be a coach for the Oakland Raidazz?" Jackson : " Isnt Tom Cable the coach of the Raiders at this point and time Mr. Davis?" Davis : Who? " Jackson : " Tom Cable, hes your head coach, isn't he?" Davis : " For now, you get the offense rolling and there will be opportunities for advancement". Jackson : "When can I start? ". Davis : " Get on a plane and head to Oakland and get it started right now".
devilraid316
SinceMar 11, 2007
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Hue Jackson Raiders GM?

March 6, 2013 12:04 am

yea i read it earlier in the day and it was a good read however i dont know what to believe from it, i think if he wouldnt have thrown the team under the bus and stated that he was guna do whatever it took in the sense of he was guna wear all caps(coach/gm) and would have just worded it differently he probably would still be our coach or he'd be the head coach of some other team because if reggie really wanted his own "guy" because his comments rubbed alot of people the wrong way...sometimes u gotta learn to bite the proverbial bullet and just walk the walk instead of talking the talk because we all know hue sure could talk
bub peezy4deuce
SinceFeb 15, 2013
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Hue Jackson Raiders GM?

March 6, 2013 5:52 am

Every time I revisit Hue Jackson's outburst from 2011 I think...good for you. People talk about a power grab. So fu@&ing what? Slap his wrist and tell him to calm down. 


Real shame that Reggie couldn't have worked with Hue. Instead of a coach with fire, passion and determination to sort the mess out we get ...Dennis Allen, the notoriuosly intense bringer of pain. I'm feeling the pain Dennis, I'm feeling the pain.  
HERBERT464
SinceMar 8, 2008
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Hue Jackson Raiders GM?

March 6, 2013 7:36 am

I wouldn't have wanted anything to do with Hue as a GM but as OC and HC he had the team headed in the right direction for the first time in forever. Now we are knee deep in the middle of regression and it didn't have to happen. His mouth and his ego got in the way and has set the team back another 5 years.
804Raider
SinceSep 26, 2010
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Hue Jackson Raiders GM?

March 6, 2013 9:21 am

Shut up Church of Hue dingbats. You are living in the past. Move on already, this is rebuild. We need a new foundation. Rebuild! 3 years! Just suck till then baby!
LordDumbEss
SinceFeb 16, 2013
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Hue Jackson Raiders GM?

March 6, 2013 9:46 am

IMO - Hue Jackson is a major B.S artist. He speaks, breath and eats it. He will be a great OC. He can't make Head coaching decisions. He makes decisions based on emotion. He pumped Al up so much. He knew Al Davis loves to be told that he is a genius and very smart. Why wouldn't Al want him around. Hue also knew that Al's (aka coach-make me barf) health was failing. Why not slide in and rub his thigh a little to land a gig? Remember he was the one who created this Palmer/no draft pick issues we have now. Horrible GM calls. So we were 8-8. Last I checked that means we were average. Some say moving in the right direction, I say he was sacrificing our future (draft picks/money) for an emotional move. There were more of these bad choices coming if he were still here.
VaporTrails
SinceJul 17, 2008
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Hue Jackson Raiders GM?

March 6, 2013 1:28 pm

I'm glad the new brass decided to hire someone in utterly over his head...

Rather than keep the coach who was doing a damn fine job.


And tennis balls is a fricking retard.
leppykahn
SinceAug 18, 2008
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Hue Jackson Raiders GM?

March 6, 2013 1:42 pm

Lorddumb@ss
You idiots and your 3 year rebuild make me sick. Where in the hell did you figure 3 years would finish the job. The past is only one year removed and now we have records to compare.
Allen 4 wins - Hue 8 wins
Now I'm thinking Hue was closer to having a winning program in 3 years than Allen
If you didn't notice we are going backwards in your 3 year program. So in 2 years we should have exactly zero wins if we stay on track with Allen only winning half as many games as the year before.
The 3 year lan get the contracts in order for the salary cap and lose every friggin game   
hateall31
SinceApr 14, 2007
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Hue Jackson Raiders GM?

March 7, 2013 12:36 am

Glad Hue got us to the playoffs...oh wait. Another sweet move trading 1st and 2nd round picks for Palmer, that's worked out well. Dennis Allen sucks but enough about ague ajackson being the next thing to John Madden for christ's sakes.
nedonuts
SinceAug 16, 2007
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Hue Jackson Raiders GM?

March 7, 2013 2:16 pm

Excuse me, weren't you one of those guys saying that the Raiders had "the least talent" blah blah blah of any team in the NFL?

Considering what Hue did with the same starters, he should be elected to the Hall of fame, following such logic.


Glad some on this board think draft picks are more important than wins. You've got to be effing kidding me.

Enjoy the rebuild. This guy is doing a great job tearing away the concrete in the basement, never mind he doesn't know what he's doing, I'm sure the house will be stronger once he's done dicking around in the foundation.
leppykahn
SinceAug 18, 2008
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Hue Jackson Raiders GM?

March 7, 2013 2:40 pm

Thats the thing the Raiders dont have the least talented team in football. To the contrary our offense is very talented if used right. Thats all Hue did he just put the players into position to win. Wala we went 8 and 8. DA thought he knew what clicked on offense and hired a massively retarded ego maniac in Knapp. Thus our offense was an utter failure and our D was more injured than the cast of the walking dead. This year our offense should be back on par with the hue years if DA keeps his stupid hands off the offense. He is a defensive guy and has one of the worst defenses talent and discipline wise in the NFL. I see a dramatically better team this year our coaching staff believes you play to the talant not make the talent play to you, much like Hue did. Knapp never played to the talent and lost 12 games.

Yes I know Leppy DA is part of that stupidity lets pray he learned his lesons from the complete failure of last year.
gkaighn
SinceOct 8, 2007
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Hue Jackson Raiders GM?

March 7, 2013 3:32 pm

love hue as our guy. i really thought he did a fantastic job with our offense. not sure why he was cast-off for what he said. not different at all than what RM has both said and done as our GM. people are soft i guess. regardless, we are where we are and we are going where we are going. its a new regime and im all-in on them. its not going to be a painless process. they are unwinding the old regimes way of doing business. i believe both ways COULD work. however, they do not. could have been transitioned different, but its not. either way i cant do anything other than watch S&B on sundays. gotta give these guys time. this is not a SF, IND, or some other situation where the new regime stepped into a stocked roster and just hadda replace a guy or 2. our defense is and has been a mess. they are gonna axe ro and other shiz and replace it but they need draft picks to do that. he had nothing of a draft last year and 1/2 a draft next year. i know its not what people wanna hear, but gotta give him time.
kiff34
SinceApr 7, 2008
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Hue Jackson Raiders GM?

March 7, 2013 3:42 pm

Thats the thing the Raiders dont have the least talented team in football. To the contrary our offense is very talented if used right. Thats all Hue did he just put the players into position to win. Wala we went 8 and 8. DA thought he knew what clicked on offense and hired a massively retarded ego maniac in Knapp. Thus our offense was an utter failure and our D was more injured than the cast of the walking dead. This year our offense should be back on par with the hue years if DA keeps his stupid hands off the offense. He is a defensive guy and has one of the worst defenses talent and discipline wise in the NFL. I see a dramatically better team this year our coaching staff believes you play to the talant not make the talent play to you, much like Hue did. Knapp never played to the talent and lost 12 games.

I agree with you to an extent here. We aren't the least talented team in football. But, considering these who say "see, we are terrible, we have no talent" are the same ones that are consistently tearing down 8 asterick *all skill players missed the entire season wins, and the asterick wins coach are saying such a thing, it really makes me wonder how they could believe both at once.

But to suggest that any old mediocre OC (and make no mistake, we didn't get a top coordinator) is the same as Hue is also ridiculous. More likely scenario is that the team performs somewhere between the two extremes presented in the previous two seasons. Hue came along, did a lot of things well, used a lot of players effectively, and he also had come from an offense that was a PERFECT fit for our personnel... That's more than just saying... "Now we power block, and consider Pryor as a starter."

It takes more than the philosophy to be successful. You need to be able to call the plays that the defense doesn't expect and still be effective enough when you take risks that the risky decision pays off more often than it does not.

And, while I'd like to hope the team overall improves, I believe the GM is doing his best to systemically replace the athletes of the previous regime with his own, low upside players... and doubt that the way to winning in the league is to get a bunch of guys with no demonstratable advantage over their peers.
leppykahn
SinceAug 18, 2008
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Hue Jackson Raiders GM?

March 7, 2013 3:49 pm

this is not a SF, IND, or some other situation where the new regime stepped into a stocked roster and just hadda replace a guy or 2. our defense is and has been a mess
He had the opportunity to do something better with the same talent that a good coach in John Marshall did in 2010. Nearly all of the starters were the same, or were upgraded. Yet, instead, they decide to dump all of these players, many of which did not even benefit the team financially last year, to sign other players that sucked.

So, while you are busy making excuses for a leadership that went from 8 wins to only winning 1 game outside of the worst two teams in the league, and getting blown out tons in the process...

Reggie has to get guys who are good at this, and he hasn't. I can only wait to see which player has the lowest ceiling at 3, since I know that's the one Reggie will take.
leppykahn
SinceAug 18, 2008
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Hue Jackson Raiders GM?

March 8, 2013 2:29 pm

Leppy,

I do agree that our choice of staff was poor, at least with the assistants. However I dont think hue was as good as you make him out to be. Hue was in a very weak division, he won by merely playing to the strength of our players and made some very dumb personnel moves as well. Like Palmer, and while it was mostly Al leting Nnamdi walk andkKeeping Routt. Reggie is not on a personnal mission to kill everything Al did. Reggie is just rying to right the ship while staying competative. Yes he is failing at it. He is basically pulling the bandaid off slowly instead of just tearing it off. I wish he would have just tore it off last season also.
gkaighn
SinceOct 8, 2007