So Timmons was drafted to be an OLB after all

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So Timmons was drafted to be an OLB after all

March 20, 2013 6:44 am

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By The Associated Press

<small> Published: Sunday, April 29, 2007
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Lawrence Timmons was drafted to be Joey Porter's successor as the Pittsburgh Steelers' right outside linebacker. As far as succeeding Porter as an onfield agitator, trash talker and locker room quote machine, he has some work to do.

Timmons' quiet but determined approach to playing made an impression on Steelers director of football operations Kevin Colbert, no doubt given Florida State's reputation of turning out players who love to talk as much as they like to play. And how Porter often talked his way into headlines, even when he wasn't trying to do so.

Timmons became only the third linebacker drafted by the Steelers on the first round when they took him No. 15 Saturday. The others were Huey Richardson in 1991, one of the worst picks in club history, and Robin Cole in 1976.

With the Steelers precariously thin at outside linebacker, where only Clark Haggans has been a full-time starter, they added another on the second round in Lombardi Award winner LaMarr Woodley of Michigan. He had 12 sacks last season and 25 in his career while shuffling between defensive end and linebacker and was strong against the run.

Some juniors, especially those as young as the 20-year-old Timmons, talk more like teenagers than NFL players, according to Colbert. Timmons, however, "is very serious and very, very quiet," Colbert said.

"He's got a long way to go," Colbert said when asked about how Timmons compares to Porter as a talker. "He might be different on the field — I've never been that close to him in game situations — but, just meeting the kid, that was the one thing that struck me. He's very serious and very quiet."

What struck new coach Mike Tomlin was ... well, how Timmons struck people.

"Ultimately, he has what we call the RH factor — he's a runner and a hitter," Tomlin said. "He's a Pittsburgh Steeler."

The 6-foot-1, 234-pound Timmons almost was a Florida State Seminole for another season. He started only one season there — he played behind 2006 first-round pick Ernie Sims of the Lions the previous two seasons — and weighed whether returning for his senior season would help his career.

Tomlin, not happy when it was suggested that Timmons is too inexperienced and wasn't productive enough to go in the middle of the first round, pointed to Timmons' junior-season statistics.

"He's a linebacker that scored three touchdowns (on an interception, fumble return and blocked punt return), blocked two kicks and had five sacks," Tomlin said. "He's a productive football player who can make plays in a lot of ways."

And in a lot of defenses?

Tomlin insisted that Timmons was drafted to be a 3-4 outside linebacker — a position that demands a strong pass rusher, as Porter was for most of his Steelers career. The Steelers didn't bring Porter back for the final year of his contract, allowing Porter to sign with Miami and Timmons to compete with backup James Harrison to replace Porter.

Going into the draft, Timmons seemed to be a better fit for a 4-3 scheme, possibly on the inside because of his size. Timmons said he can play both defenses.

"For an outside linebacker, sure, ideally you want them 6-3, 260 pounds and running a 4.5 (in the 40-yard dash)," Colbert said. "His measureables are almost identical to Greg Lloyd's. You can say that Greg was a sixth-round pick (in 1987), but should he have been a sixth-round pick for as good as he was• ... His versatility, and the fact he has played on the line, behind the line, with his hand down — he has really done it all."

Timmons is represented by Drew Rosenhaus, known for being an especially difficult negotiator. Colbert said the Steelers never weigh agents when making a pick.

Timmons didn't say much in his first interview as a Steelers player, but showed some individuality in college with his No. 83 — a wide receiver's number, and one he can't wear as an NFL linebacker.

"It's a unique number," he said. "I like to be original. I like to be different."

Timmons also has a Pittsburgh connection. His father, Lindsley, was a scholarship basketball player at Duquesne under coach John Cinicola and lettered in 1976.

Asked what his father told him about his new home, Timmons said, "He said it's a beautiful city — and it gets cold up there."

Woodley grew up a Steelers fan in Saginaw, Mich., and likes that Michigan played some schemes similar to those used by the Steelers. As a youngster, he wore No. 36 in honor of former Steelers running back Jerome Bettis, a Detroit native.

"I decided to call myself 'The Bus' and, ever since then, I've been rolling," he said.


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rarebreed
SinceSep 23, 2006
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So Timmons was drafted to be an OLB after all

March 20, 2013 7:33 am

“He’s a right outside linebacker,” Tomlin reiterated. “He has mack (inside linebacker) capabilities and we like what he has from the versatility standpoint. But, initially, he will start out at the right outside linebacker.”

And initially he did. But it took all of a week in training camp to see how special James Harrison and LaMarr Woodley were so they switched gears.

I've posted this numerous times. But here it is again ...

LT: First pick has some lofty expectations

By Jim Wexell
SteelCityInsider.com
Posted Apr 28, 2007
    
Mike Tomlin’s first pick as coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers was outside linebacker Lawrence Timmons, a young player with upside and a pretty heavy comparison to live up to.

PITTSBURGH – Mike Tomlin didn’t want to say it. In fact, he checked himself after he was asked this question:

Mike, can you compare Lawrence Timmons to anyone you have worked with? Tomlin hemmed and hawed, gathered his thoughts, appeared set not to overstate the case, but he did it anyway.

“He has some Derrick Brooks qualities,” Tomlin said of his first draft pick as coach of the Steelers.

“You don’t necessarily want to put that on anyone because Brooks is a legendary player,” Tomlin said, “but he runs around and strikes people. He is relentless and he loves the game.”

Tomlin will probably regret putting that kind of tag on Timmons. Brooks is a 10-time Pro Bowl player. He was the catalyst of Tampa Bay’s championship run in 2002. He is the player most often identified with the “Tampa Two” defense that Tomlin would someday like to run in Pittsburgh. He is, as Tomlin said, a legendary player.

He also went to Florida State, and so the onus is on Timmons: When will you be Derrick Brooks?

“Brooks is one of the best linebackers to ever come from FSU,” Timmons said. “It feels good to have a comparison like that.”

Timmons is a surprise pick in that the Steelers needed a 3-4 outside linebacker and the 6-0 7/8, 234-pound Timmons is a 4-3 outside backer in the mold of Brooks. That may work down the road, but can a 234-pounder fit the position? After all, Joey Porter was a 250-pounder. Jason Gildon was, too. But there have been exceptions.

“His measurables are almost identical to Greg Lloyd’s,” Kevin Colbert said of the former 6-foot-2, 228-pound superstar. “You can say that Greg was a sixth round pick, but should he have been a sixth round pick for as good as he was? There are some guys that can play without the great measurables and we have seen him do these things against offensive tackles.”

That is the plan for Timmons. He played outside in Florida State’s 4-3 but the Steelers plan to play him … where coach?

“We’re a 3-4 team. He’s a right outside linebacker,” Tomlin said with a glare.

Yes, his glow had turned into a glare as reporters scrutinized a player with only one year of starting experience. Tomlin is adamant that Timmons was not drafted as a future piece in his 4-3 Tampa Two defense. Tomlin swears that Timmons will help the Steelers this year.

“He’s a right outside linebacker,” Tomlin reiterated. “He has mack (inside linebacker) capabilities and we like what he has from the versatility standpoint. But, initially, he will start out at the right outside linebacker.”

Timmons is a young junior. He’ll turn 21 next month. Colbert described his personality as such:

“This kid is very quiet, very soft-spoken, really a quiet kid. That’s the one thing – as a junior, so many times when you talk to them you think you are talking to your kids, teenagers. But this kid is very serious and very, very quiet. I think that’s how you’ll find this kid to be.”

On the phone, Timmons lived up to the hype.

Reporter: Pretty exciting day, huh?

LT: Oh, yeah.

R: Why?

LT: I got drafted.

And on it went.

Timmons was born in Florence, South Carolina, the home of Hall of Fame linebacker Harry Carson. He was a first-team All-State linebacker/tight end at Wilson High School and selected Florida State over Florida, Tennessee, and North Carolina and Georgia.

At Florida State, Timmons played behind Ernie Sims for two years before breaking into the starting lineup last season. He followed the tradition set forth by Sims, Marvin Jones and Brooks as a starting strong-side backer at FSU and compiled five sacks and 79 tackles. He also scored three touchdowns on turnovers and a scooped blocked kick.

At the combine, Timmons ran a 4.66 40 and at his pro day ran 4.63 and 4.66. If it seems rather slow for the 15th pick of the draft, consider that the 28th pick of the 1995 draft, Derrick Brooks, ran a 4.65. And he’s done pretty well for himself. Not that Mike Tomlin noticed … much.

beachbum312
SinceSep 17, 2006
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So Timmons was drafted to be an OLB after all

March 20, 2013 10:38 am

We’re a 3-4 team. He’s a right outside linebacker,” Tomlin said with a glare.

Yes, his glow had turned into a glare as reporters scrutinized a player with only one year of starting experience. Tomlin is adamant that Timmons was not drafted as a future piece in his 4-3 Tampa Two defense. Tomlin swears that Timmons will help the Steelers this year.
I guess Tomlin was wrong on both counts, Timmons is not a OLB. He proved to be too weak to handle the OT's. and he did not help the Steelers that year. He has proven to be a good ILB when he wants to be or he knows his contract will be modified.
Otherwise, his ProBowl snubs are for good reason.
Honestley, I think he would have been a better MLB in a 4-3 cover2 system.

Everything written by me is just my opinion.Smile
rarebreed
SinceSep 23, 2006
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So Timmons was drafted to be an OLB after all

March 20, 2013 11:07 am

Timmons is also the highest payed LB ( as a year by year Avg  8,333,333) in the NFL and we wonder why the Steelers are up against the cap.
I can see why the Steelers payed Troy, Ben an Harrison the kind of money they did but Timmons ????

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-fran
cisco-49ers/patrick-willis/

Patrick Willis Average Salary $7,644,286     Contract: 7 yr(s) / $53,510,000
Jerrod Mayo Average Salary $7,121,429      Contract: 7 yr(s) / $49,850,000
James Harrisons 2013 would have been 7.325 million but the Steelers thought it was too much. 2010 contract 6yr(s) $51.175 million
Lawrence Timmons 6 yr(s) / $50,000,000
NaVorro Bowman Contract: Average Salary $6,624,286    7 yr(s) / $46,370,000
rarebreed
SinceSep 23, 2006
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So Timmons was drafted to be an OLB after all

March 20, 2013 11:13 am

I think Timmons can be a great inside LB in our system.  He was hands down the best player on our defense last year.  The only bad year he had was when he played outside (which he obviously isn't big enough for).  He played behind a subpar DL (by Steelers standards of course), and behind two backup OLB's for most of last season and was still all over the field.  If they actually get some decent play from the DL this season Timmons should be in the pro-bowl.  As far as the snubs go, I'm not sure how the best player on the best defense in the league doesn't get a spot.  The pro-bowl voting is a joke anyway. Most people don't have a clue who's actually having a good year.  They just go by what they see on ESPN highlights.  Most of the people that vote don't even watch the play in the trenches they just follow the ball.
SteelGod1976
SinceAug 18, 2008
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So Timmons was drafted to be an OLB after all

March 20, 2013 11:17 am

all I really have to know is this. Lawrence Timmons was the best LB the Steelers had in 2012. They drafted a 20 year old kid without a lot of miles on him, upside. Now only 26, enterring the prime of his career, it makes a lot of sense on what Colbert and Tomlin did. IN that draft, pre-CBS I was really hoping Darelle Revis was their pick. Revis is an all pro CB, but he is a selfish player who puts $ before team. He now wants 16M coming off a major knee injury, he's a perfect fit for Rex and the Jets, that's a match made in he11 and I'm loving it.  Colbert also shipped Holmes to the Jets for a 5th rounder, now he is refusing a paycut and holding the Jets cap hostage.

What us draftnuts miss is the interviews, I think Colber and Tomlin look at two things at the Combine and Pro Days. Interview, who is the kid, and then Medical. The drills, the sprints, lifts, are all part of the process, but it's talking to the player finding out if he fits the Steeler mold both physically and mentally.

The perfect player who would compliment Timmons in this draft is Alec Ogletree from a read and hit perspective However his off the field crap is not a fit.

nybites
SinceSep 4, 2007
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So Timmons was drafted to be an OLB after all

March 20, 2013 3:05 pm

Who cares where he was drafted to play? He is one of our better defenders right now and that is all that matters.

gidion72
SinceSep 30, 2008
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So Timmons was drafted to be an OLB after all

March 20, 2013 3:18 pm

Who cares where he was drafted to play? He is one of our better defenders right now and will be for some time to come and that is all that matters.

10-4 Gid

ps; don't you just love the way CBS screwed with your "tuck rule" post(s) ?Tongue outUndecidedFrown pkrhds... and no, by the way, I cannot for the life of me figure why they were for it ... all alone ... good grief ..


MoS

MaineofSteel
SinceAug 17, 2008
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So Timmons was drafted to be an OLB after all

March 21, 2013 5:55 am

Tomlin said with a glare.
Tomlin can glare?  Never seen it must be like bigfoot.
Jeanquev
SinceAug 29, 2006
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So Timmons was drafted to be an OLB after all

March 21, 2013 12:10 pm

As i stood in Heinz watching the picks happen(great fun for the kids especially and anyone who hasnt done it) much to my dismay the Steelers drafted Timmons. Back then i was a draft nut. Countless hours applied to a science that noone has made a true science at all. Maybe Polian for a little while in Indy. Timmons only did 15 reps at the Combine. That alone told me he was never going to be an OLB in our system or anyone else's for that matter. He could probably do alot more now but he is starting to excell at the ILB spot. Why move him? If Spence doesnt get hurt last year we would be in buisness with the so called weak link being Worilds. Worilds wont be Harrison we know that but IMO he wont be that bad either. Woodley will rebound and Foote is serviceable for one more year. Just stick to whats always worked for us. Draft and develop players. The draft has been the backbone of our team for 45 years now!
MAUISTEEL56
SinceJan 25, 2012
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So Timmons was drafted to be an OLB after all

March 21, 2013 12:17 pm

Not that it matters but Timmons did 25 reps on the bench - more than Clay Matthews, Paul Kruger, Jason Pierre-Paul, Carlos Dunlap, Von Miller, Aldon Smith, Courtney Upshaw, Chandler Jones and Ezekiel Ansah.

Just sayin' ...
beachbum312
SinceSep 17, 2006
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So Timmons was drafted to be an OLB after all

March 21, 2013 12:19 pm

sorry Beach but he only did 15. Believe me
MAUISTEEL56
SinceJan 25, 2012
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So Timmons was drafted to be an OLB after all

March 21, 2013 12:34 pm

Mauisteel, Timmons did 25 reps at the combine, quite an impressive number for his size at the time.
Big Bens Men
SinceDec 17, 2008
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So Timmons was drafted to be an OLB after all

March 21, 2013 2:49 pm

DSRank      Name      College     Proj     Hgt     Wgt     40     20     10     Bench     Vert Jump     Broad Jump     Shuttle     3Cone
1
    Posluszny, Paul       Penn State     1     6-2     238     4.70     2.73     1.56     22     37     09'08"     4.20     6.94
2
    Beason, *Jon       Miami     1     6-0     237     4.72     2.74     1.60     19         09'03"         
3
    Timmons, *Lawrence       Florida State     1-2     6-1     234     4.66     2.68     1.50     25     35     10'03"     4.32     6.92
4
    Bradley, Stewart       Nebraska     2     6-4     254     4.72     2.71     1.56     28     35 1/2     09'04"     4.17     7.29
5
    Shaw, Tim       Penn State     3     6-2     236     4.51     2.62     1.59     26     36 1/2     09'08"     4.12     7.01

beachbum312
SinceSep 17, 2006
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So Timmons was drafted to be an OLB after all

March 21, 2013 2:52 pm

Another site:

http://nflcombineresults.com/nflcom
binedata.php?year=2007&pos=OLB&college=
beachbum312
SinceSep 17, 2006
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So Timmons was drafted to be an OLB after all

March 21, 2013 4:00 pm

The thing is Timmons has been working as an ILB from almost day one. He hasn't been working on being a pass-rusher and hasn't trained to be a pass rusher. He's almost as tall as Woodley. He could easily get to 260lbs if he had a couple of years to do it and at 260lbs he'd be a much better OLB than at 240lbs. Not to mention how much time in practice he would spend on being a pass rusher.

Imagine asking Troy to go play CB right now. There's no way he could do it. He's 220lbs. But when he came into the league he was 205 and the cover skills to go with it. So many people want to criticize Troy in coverage but they don't understand his role as a in-the-box safety and the size he needs to be to do that job well.

Same story with Lawrence. You can't ask him to wake up one day and play a different position and expect him to excel at it. But if you gave him a couple years to learn the position and to train pursuant to his position he could be damn good at it.


beachbum312
SinceSep 17, 2006
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So Timmons was drafted to be an OLB after all

March 21, 2013 10:30 pm

Timmons is fine where he is. He had a good year last year and his best years are ahead of him with a couple of Pro Bowls (IMO)
ajmtan
SinceDec 21, 2009
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So Timmons was drafted to be an OLB after all

March 22, 2013 12:49 am

The thing is Timmons has been working as an ILB from almost day one. He hasn't been working on being a pass-rusher and hasn't trained to be a pass rusher.
The story says he was drafted to replace Porter so yes he was supposed to be an OLB. as far as him gaining weight to 260 that would take away his only skill (speed). We saw what happen to him the year before last when he bulked up a bit. Na just keep him thin,maybe even a little thinner.

Imagine asking Troy to go play CB right now. There's no way he could do it
He probably couldnt do it then. He wasnt drafted to be a CB. He was a hard hitting great tackling SS.
The Steelers did put him into a little more coverage and gave Timmons his duties at the line for a while but that proved to be ugly both ways. ( game one against the Ravens, I think 2011)
What Timmons is, is an oversized safety. Ok at covering TE's and RB's and if there is a an open lane to the QB he can get there in a hurry, alot of the time too much in a hurry but as far as shedding blocks and finishing when he gets to the QB he just an average ILB, just way overpaid.

I didnt get to see the last few games in 2012 but it looked like Timmons had good games. Maybe he will prove me wrong next year.
rarebreed
SinceSep 23, 2006
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So Timmons was drafted to be an OLB after all

March 22, 2013 2:56 am

Timmons doesn't have the tools to be an OLB at this level.  He'd be a liability against the run and then leave us weak at both ROLB and RILB.  He's fine where he is and has developed into the player I thought he would.   
SteelerKing
SinceSep 11, 2008
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So Timmons was drafted to be an OLB after all

March 22, 2013 6:53 am

Maybe he will prove me wrong next year.
Undecided
beachbum312
SinceSep 17, 2006