The Pac-12 Thread....

Kelsey Young is ranked #196 in the country.  DAT was ranked #5.  No comparison.

but man, have you seen this kid Kelsey Young? Reminds me of a just as fast, yet a little bigger DAT

I will keep a wary eye out for him.  Just what Stanford needs,,,,,,  Speed...  Great!


Yeah I am excited about Thomas Tyner outta Aloha, OR... He is a Duck verbal.  His Hischool is about 3 miles down the road.


Big fast kid.  6' 220 and at one point he had the nations fastest 100 time.  Kid has olympic level speed and is BIG.

Watched him a few times throughout his carreer in HS.

One game I missed he ran for nearly 700 yards and 10 TDs in one game.  Hopes are hi for him...

Also have a 4.37 kid outta DeSoto, TX coming in to the 2013 class.  Another RB,,,              

Yeah I am excited about Thomas Tyner outta Aloha, OR... He is a Duck verbal.  His Hischool is about 3 miles down the road.

He de-committed about 2 months ago.  Wants to 'see' what else is out there.

Kelsey Young is ranked #196 in the country.  DAT was ranked #5.  No comparison.

I have to wonder if even your fellow Ducks' fans like you. Nowhere did I say they had the same kind of year this year, did I? Are you so freaking insecure about your team that you have to put their stat comparisons up? Seriously. I am saying Young reminds me of DAT. That is actually compliment to Thomas in case you can't figure that out. Also, we had Taylor, who is a beast, so no other RBs were really going to get many touches. He did get a few, and you could see he is fast and shifty. That looks good for next year if we can find him chances to get the ball in open space. Pretty simple point really.

drkato you are easy pickens.  Be a little more thick skinned fella.  As for this being a popularity contest where everybody must 'like' someone...how middle school of you. meh.

drkato you are easy pickens.  Be a little more thick skinned fella.  As for this being a popularity contest where everybody must 'like' someone...how middle school of you. meh.

I see. OK then, good to know. I won't mistake you anymore for someone that wants to talk seriously about CFB. 

I see. OK then, good to know. I won't mistake you anymore for someone that wants to talk seriously about CFB. 

Why can't I dispute what you say?  Why can't I have my own opinion?  You can be optimistic and I can be pessimistic...that's the way it goes.  Don't take what is said personally.  We are sharing ideas and opinions...that's it.

I will keep a wary eye out for him.  Just what Stanford needs,,,,,,  Speed...  Great!

According to Scout.com, DAT is 5'10', 160 lbs and runs a 4.4 40, is that right? They have Young at 5'10" also, 190 lbs and running a 4.47. Niether of them look that tall to me though...

OrygunQuacks,

He re-commited the following day.   He had to de-committ cuz they showed him on the jumbotron at Autzen.  I guess thats against rules.  Tyner is a DUCK,....  Thank goodness 

@White Mamba you said Aloha was near your house.  Are you out off TV highway?  I grew up in Cedar Hills over by the Nike Campus.  I don't even recognize that area anymore.

OQ,

I live on Walker and 182nd.  They arent showin signs of stopping until there is no open space left... Build build build 

Mamba,

Open space is overrated.................JK

ED,, Why I love Oregon is u can have the benefits of the city and an hour drive in any direction you can be at the falls, the coast, hunting, on a lake, you name it...  I guess that goes for quite a bit of the left coast yeah?

How is the weather in the Bay?  Did you hear about the shooting at the Clackamas Mall ED?

Big news.  Dude went into the Mall wearing a Jason Hockey mask, body armor and had an AR-15 and opened fire...


Killed two injured some and then turned the gun on himself.  Biggest cowards out there are the ones that decide to take a few people with em when they decide that there own life is not worth living...      
 

Mamba,

Yeah, I heard about the idiot at the mall.  I understand he stole the AR-15 and went postal.....no motive yet as to why he went whack.  Gots to be a girl involved.

Always disappointing when a lunatic wants to take strangers with them.

I love the 223 round, fierce little bullet, shame it is used in this manner.

I live on Walker and 182nd.  They arent showin signs of stopping until there is no open space left... Build build build

Nike can expand all they want, just quit going to the Legislators and asking for more Corporate Welfare via tax breaks. That Company aint gonna leave Oregon, land of clean air and water for more Chinese child labor. Make em "pay for" the RIGHT TO OPERATE in the mighty state of Oregon. Or take your ball home (campus) and go elsewhere I say! Play some Texas-no-holdem Oregon and show a pair! Call Phill's bluff!

Nike can expand all they want, just quit going to the Legislators and asking for more Corporate Welfare via tax breaks. That Company aint gonna leave Oregon, land of clean air and water for more Chinese child labor. Make em "pay for" the RIGHT TO OPERATE in the mighty state of Oregon. Or take your ball home (campus) and go elsewhere I say! Play some Texas-no-holdem Oregon and show a pair! Call Phill's bluff!

Why you hating on Nike?????  Corporate Welfare is the American way.  If 30 million Americans can get welfare, why can't Nike?

You want the State to play chicken with Phil Knight?  Why?  He's holding all the cards.  Nike would move out of Oregon in a heartbeat if you try to unjustly squeeze them.

And, what is the knock against Chinese labor?  You think Nike is the only one tapping that few billion labor pool? 

Day before yesterday, I bought a J1 Nikon because I thought it would be a good additional camera to take to the Fiesta Bowl.  And, it was $257.00 off the retail price at Frys.  When I got home and took it from the bag, I noticed on the box it said, "made in China".  I can't help but wonder if the high end Nikon is made in China, but it is note worthy that great Japanese companies are now producing in mass in China.

Anyway, I got to reading the reviews for the J1 and there were a lot of folks that didn't like it.  So, I returned it and got my money back.

"Make em "pay for" the RIGHT TO OPERATE in the mighty state of Oregon".  <---- You do understand that it is this attitude that has left America decimated as an industrial power.  Shouldn't you be in Michigan beating up some elderly person who supports the right to work legislation?

Made in China

Pierre Cardin, Hummer, Motorola, London Taxi Company, Nokia, Samsung, Disney, Apple, Kenmore, etc.

Nike employs more Americans than all other athletic shoe companies combined. Ad Agencies, Accountants, Lawyers, Consultans, Contractors etc... If they assembled shoes here their market share would be smaller, therefore less white collar jobs and more blue collar. Sorry but I would rather see more American white collars.

Chinese labor is getting expensive. I think they have move some of their manufacturing to Bangladesh or Sri Lanka etc.

You want the State to play chicken with Phil Knight?  Why?  He's holding all the cards.  Nike would move out of Oregon in a heartbeat if you try to unjustly squeeze them.

"unjustly try to squeeze them"...What the hell does that mean? Taxing a corparation making billions "offshoring jobs" is unjustly squeezing them? Or is fairly closing down current tax code loopholes and "fairly taxing" just plain good business for local, state and federal governments to do? I understand current USA Corporate taxation is higher than the rest of the World, but please...either FIX IT OR PAY, current tax laws, quit looking for favors and getting "sweetheart deals". Not fair to the other 99% of  local businesses that have to play by the rules. As for Nike, let em pull up and threaten to leave...Phills bluffing and I say "call him".

"unjustly try to squeeze them"...What the hell does that mean? Taxing a corparation making billions "offshoring jobs" is unjustly squeezing them? Or is fairly closing down current tax code loopholes and "fairly taxing" just plain good business for local, state and federal governments to do? I understand current USA Corporate taxation is higher than the rest of the World, but please...either FIX IT OR PAY, current tax laws, quit looking for favors and getting "sweetheart deals". Not fair to the other 99% of  local businesses that have to play by the rules. As for Nike, let em pull up and threaten to leave...Phills bluffing and I say "call him".

Bevo,

You want FAIR?  FAIR comes to town once a year.

Did you want to call the bluff of the lumber industry over the spotted owl?  How did that work out for all those mill workers?

NIKE creates a lot of revenue for the State of Oregon. 

You would be naive to think that 99% of local businesses play by the rules.  A large portion of those folks take outlandish advantage of the tax code.  Writing off personal autos, paying family members, defrauding medical insurance, etc., ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

Revenue is not the problem, out of control fraud and spending is the problem.   Tax consumption and not income, coupled with controlled spending, and we are as close to utopia as one can get.

The problem with "your calling" Uncle Phil is you're bluffing, he isn't.

Revenue is not the problem, out of control fraud and spending is the problem.   Tax consumption and not income, coupled with controlled spending, and we are as close to utopia as one can get.

C'mon ED, what universe are you living in? You know this makes way too much sense to ever be tried!!

Revenue is not the problem, out of control fraud and spending is the problem.

Ignorance and Fox News is no way to go thru life. A fiscal consevative is 1 thing, I want the biggest bang for buck like the next guy, but saying revenue is not part of the problem, when Corporations(Top 2%) are pulling in massive profits during this reccession were in right now, while enjoying the lowest tax rates they have had in 40 years, is asnine. Whose been pulling your chain beside Chip Kelly these days? Oh yeah, the Repukes and Fox I spose.


Yep Phill's bluffing...Call him Oregon and stop the welfare from trickling up.

NIKE creates a lot of revenue for the State of Oregon.

Sure they do from an employee standpoint, but not from a Corporate standpoint.


when it comes to production...

Why not pay USA employees union living wages to produce your goods and lose only about 10% of your net profit by doing so? Jeez, guess those CEO's and shareholders would cry foul over that. BOO HOO I say...TAX EM FAIRLY or GET ON AND GET OUT...signed the Labor Movement. I see even Apple has decided to bring home production jobs...probably just satisfying local concerns a little bit over the very same points I am making here. JUST DO IT for the right reasons.

Wallace,

I didn't know you were a factory worker living off the Union tit.  Giving the amount of time you dedicate to this forum, I assumed you were independantly wealthy, or unemployed.

How do you know if your revenue stream is sufficient if your spending is out of control?  Shouldn't one get their spending under control to determine the necessary amount of income?  Seems like a pretty base concept to me.

And, why hate on companies that are making a profit?  Isn't that what a business is supposed to do?

And, yes, many companies are owned by shareholders and those shareholders are entitled to the benefits of their profits.  And, why wouldn't they be, they own the company.  Why should shareholders give away an additional 10% of their earnings to pay you more than your market worth?

You and your labor movement are quickly headed to the reality of HOSTESS bakery.

If you think Apple would move any production to the USA based upon concerns of you getting a Union living wage or world market share, you aren't going to land a CEO job in a Fortune 500 company anytime soon.  The right to work movement that is sweeping the country might bring some jobs back to the USA and make our production competitive again.

If making tennis shoes in Detroit was as profitable as making them in China, Nike would move their production to the motor city.

Hey, this is America, don't like what someone is paying you, go to work for someone else.

And, why hate on companies that are making a profit?  Isn't that what a business is supposed to do?

In a nut shell, the problem with demacracy and capitalism is that it incestrially breeds GREED and this is where I have a problem...In my eutopian world the perfect government would be as follows...

2 parts capitalism...love the entrepreneurial spirt in the world, from bottom up to top down. Power to the people here, no matter what economical status you enjoy. My parents taught this/their bird(s) how to fly well here.


1 part socialism...have to have fair and balanced safety net system for the poor, no matter how much it costs. USA is nowhere near a leader in the World here. To be talking about cutting rather than improving the current system is rediculous. Even if it's half or more  of GDP.


1 part communism...Would like to see any/all natural resources of this country, which is owned by the citizens of this fine country, seized, controlled by the US Government and allocated approprantly to all the people, let any profit(s) made go back into the Governmental system as Revenue. Such resources include forests, minerals, energy sources (oil, gas, electricity, et al), air and water. Kiss your current personal tax system goodbye, forever.


I have said my peace about politics and wish no longer to hijack THIS thread any longer. I wish to apologise to nwtrucker (OP) and any other one I may have insulted on this board for my personal intrusions in the matter stated and finally.


GO PAC12   The Conference of Champions

The right to work movement that is sweeping the country might bring some jobs back to the USA and make our production competitive again.

ok...I lied...1 more thing ED


ONLY in the red states do you see "right to work laws" passing. The unions are being killed by Republican lead state governments/Govenors with control in both their houses. Competitive or strictly politcal move ED? I say political, as in kill the labor movement and the dollars that flow to the Democrats campaign coffers. Check up on your Koch brothers. You do understand this basic thing don't you? I spose not based on your postings, but rest assurred most people do.


Yeah nice post ED. I mean IGNORANCE ED, not post.

There are good unions and bad ones. Originally, owners were running sweat shops etc., which basically made the worker a slave. Then unions got strong and there was a balance of power which benefitted the owners and the workers. Then unions got the upper hand and in effect started stealing from the owners. And they became so large, they became a money-laundering enterprise that basically supported Democrats (party). This is particularly true in the public sector. In the car industry )for examp;e) workers were overpaid and received unmaintainable benefits. Maybe a current crop of workers really benefitted but what about the would be new generation of workers. They got screwed as jobs went away or migrated to whatever place business could compete and make a profit. It is economics 101 folks. Michigan (that means the people) as a whole would/will benefit if the unions do not get their way by being a right-to-work state. That doesn't mean the unions. Businesses will now consider doing business (building a factory) or whatever, that they would not even think about before. And if you think unions really care about the employees (yes they do as long as they don't get in the way of the union's wants), you are naive.

The unions are being killed by Republican lead state governments/Govenors with control in both their houses. Competitive or strictly politcal move ED? I say political, as in kill the labor movement and the dollars that flow to the Democrats campaign coffers.

Wallace,

The right to work gives employees the choice as to whether or not they want to be affiliated with a Union.  The right to choose, i.e. democracy, is not responsible for killing labor Unions.  Actually, it is freedom from the involuntary servitude imposed by labor Unions.  (Previously known as slavery).

How is it fair to an employee to compel him to give a % of his earnings to an organization which he might not care to support?

Wouldn't it be more accurate to say the GREED of Union employees is what has led to the destruction of organized labor?  What on earth ever gave rise to the domestic engineer (janitor) thinking he was entitled to a % of his employer's profits.

It is this very thing that is destroying professional sports.  Players mistake themselves for owners deserving large slices of the profit pie.  Pro sports will collapse because of the player's greed, not the owners.  (The owners already have money)  A tipping point will be reached where each fan walks away because the cost is not sustainable.  And, the fan will find it more necessary to go pick up empty plastic bottles to make ends meet, rather than watch someone make 50 million a year playing a game, (and, threating to go on strike if he doesn't get 60 million).

If not for insane TV dollars at this time, many pro sports are out of business.  TV will sober up, and when it does, ouch.

Finally, Unions and employees will still get to donate all the money they want to anyones campaign......You just have to donate your own money instead of money stolen from workers who would prefer to put their money in their own pocket.

It is not personal, it is good business.  And, good business is something we need to get back to.

Hey, it occurs to me that if the Unions used the millions and millions of dollars to buy and build factories for themselves, instead of spending it for special treatment and politics........they'd have all the Union jobs they could want.

But, alas, even they know, the Greed in motion is not sustainable, so, they want the taxpayer or business owner to provide a subsidy for their way of life.