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February 4, 2013 7:02 pm
Liked the Pony, liked the Montana stain - Raven revenge (funny), hated SF going down.

Thought Jim got outcoached by John.

Thought penalties really hurt SF, startikng with play #1 20 yd pass called back, then Balt misses on 3rd and 9, but interference allows them a TD on next play. The football Gods had spoken.

Thought it was embarassingly funny how they consistently passed over Dan Marino during the "lites out" segment. Finally allowed him to speak once when the cameras were focussed elsewhere. Kinda weird.

Thought the officials really swallowed their whistles, and nearly lost control of the game. How does a player shove a ref, and stay on the field?

Thought Kapernick got rattled, and lost confidence at one point, but made a couple runs and got his mojo back.

Thought Ravens did a remarkable job of keeping the Kapernick factor contained.

Thought SF recievers could have been better, didn't make catch that wasn't "right there". A Boldin should coach WRs on how to box out and "take" the ball away.

Thought the 2nd half kick off was too low from the second he struck it, and they pulled up in coverage.

Thought SF's most embarassing moment occured in allowing the punter to run off 8 secs on the safety, dumb, dumb, dumb.

Couldn't believe Kap called "time out" on a first down in the second half at or across midfield...... WTF****

Thought Jim was going to give birth to a puppy when he did that.

Thought it was an entertaining Super Bowl,

Thought that if SF won the Raven nation would never stop believing it was a Browns fan who cut the power.

I was in NJ, but I can't speak for others.












kendawg
SinceNov 8, 2006
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February 5, 2013 12:06 pm
bluez, any word on fantasy baseball?Laughing  Have two drafts lined up on CBS in late March.
Bluepigpen
SinceSep 1, 2006
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February 5, 2013 12:44 pm
Not sure when we will draft .it seems every league wants to draft in late March . we may shoot for the third week ? i have three more invites and i know they will all be drafting in late March . that will give me my normal 6 teams for baseball ..thats enough . its why i needed the second sn .
bluezhound32
SinceNov 8, 2007
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February 5, 2013 12:45 pm
you will like Dick Jaroun . he is conservative in his approach but is a fine coach and finer human being
bluezhound32
SinceNov 8, 2007
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February 5, 2013 12:49 pm
i stuck to my word and didnt watch that much of the super bowl untill after the lights came back on .

loved the Bud commercial & the Farmer Dodge one the best .i worked on my grandfathers farm as a kid so i can realte to the hours and hard work they put in . by the time two a days came around in HS Football i was more than ready and in great shape .

Go Daddy gave fat nerds hope ..albeit it false hope .. Danica is SMOKING Tongue out.. as a racer myself i would love to " rear end her "


season fires up in April . ready to sling Ohio Dirt
bluezhound32
SinceNov 8, 2007
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February 5, 2013 2:56 pm
I will be watching NASCAR in Phoenix on March 3rd, Las Vegas on March 10th and in Fontana on March 24th.Cool  I am a huge fan of fast cars and smokin women that like to bang fendersSmile Having a Browns league this year bluez?
Bluepigpen
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February 7, 2013 8:29 am
By [Don Delco] OBR Browns Reporter
Posted Feb 7, 2013

Since 2000, the Baltimore Ravens and Pittsburgh Steelers have a combined five Super Bowl appearances, four of which were wins. Meanwhile, the Browns just had another coaching change. The pressure is on the Banner-Lombardi-Chudzinski trio to put a stop to the losing ... now.

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Wherever you fall on the Bitter/No Bitter scale regarding the [Baltimore Ravens], it is a safe bet many in northeast Ohio and those around the country wearing orange and brown did not watch much of the Super Bowl postgame show.

Here’s hoping Joe Banner, Mike Lombardi and Rob Chudzinski didn’t drink too much at their respective [Super Bowl parties] and were in Berea by 8 a.m. Monday.

The pressure is on, boys. The name on the door is: Win Now.

For the last few years, patience was preached as general manager Tom Heckert purged the Browns’ roster of age and lack of talent and infused the team with young, contributing players. There was no doubt someone needed to do it, but the process was painful and, on the heels of many losing seasons, tough to accept. Still, any Browns fan could see the team’s talent level was moving in the right direction, but it was moving at glacial speed.

Meanwhile during Heckert’s demolition and rebuilding, the [Pittsburgh Steelers] reached the Super Bowl and, in his final season, the Ravens won that game.

A year after the Browns returned to the NFL, the Steelers and Ravens are a combined 261-156 in the regular season with eight playoff appearances apiece. Pittsburgh has played in three Super Bowls, winning two and Baltimore has played in two Super Bowls, winning both.

The challenge before Banner, Lombardi and Chudzinski is to beat the Steelers and Ravens. If you can beat those teams with regularity, bigger things will await the Browns.

Regime after regime struggled to do just that. The list of the Browns’ ex-coaches is a mile long and each coach has featured the same characteristic - they couldn’t beat the Ravens and Steelers on a consistent basis.

All this losing, especially to Baltimore and Pittsburgh, has resulted in a short-tempered and frustrated fan base. Yes, it began in the 80s with three AFC Championship losses, but it only has grown after the move in 1995, the success past coaches, players and front office personnel elsewhere other, and, finally, the amount of losing coupled with the amount of winning by the closest rivals.

It all culminates in a chip that rests firmly on Browns fans shoulders.

Funny, there is a similar chip on the shoulders of Joe Banner, Michael Lombardi and Rob Chudzinski. There is no doubt Banner, Lombardi, Chudzinski and Jimmy Haslam will be working hard to try to make this team a winner. Unlike the Big Show that sashayed thought the Berea hallways with a large [championship ring] already planted on his finger, the fingers of these new Browns owners, front office personnel and coaches are bare.

Wanting [to win] and actually winning has been a disconnect around here. Mangini got two years. Shurmur two more. Not enough? Need more time for continuity?

Save us the spiel that this is a process or that there needs to be time to build this thing the right way.

It is time to win. Too many Super Bowl Sundays in recent seasons have seen either the Ravens or Steelers play in — and win — the game.

Pressure can be good. You want your leaders to perform under pressure. The previous regimens couldn’t do it. Next up, please.

Feel that pressure, fellas? Good. Now go and perform.


bluezhound32
SinceNov 8, 2007
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February 7, 2013 8:31 am

All this losing, especially to Baltimore and Pittsburgh, has resulted in a short-tempered and frustrated fan base. Yes, it began in the 80s with three AFC Championship losses, but it only has grown after the move in 1995, the success past coaches, players and front office personnel elsewhere other, and, finally, the amount of losing coupled with the amount of winning by the closest rivals.

It all culminates in a chip that rests firmly on Browns fans shoulders.

bluezhound32
SinceNov 8, 2007
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February 7, 2013 8:54 am

By Tony Grossi

The Morning Kickoff …

Name dropping: NFL free agency begins at 4 p.m. on March 12. A lot can happen between now and then. Players whose contracts are up can be re-signed. Players under contract can be released and enter the market as free agents. And some marquee free agents can receive the franchise tag from their teams and be severely restricted from leaving.

When it comes to free agency, Browns fans follow one commandment: Thou shalt covet thy neighbor’s free agent. They want anybody and everybody. I know this for a fact because I receive emails and Tweets every day asking why the Browns don’t sign (fill in the blank).

At the Super Bowl, Browns owner Jimmy Haslam tempered expectations in free agency when he said, “I don’t think you’ll see us making any big, splashy, high-priced moves.”

What follows is not a full-blown preview of free agency, but rather an appetizer. We’ve identified six potential positions of need and listed “big splash” and “little splash” possibilities to fill them. Some of the players listed could be re-signed or franchised by the time free agency begins on March 12.

Position: Quarterback.

Big splash: Joe Flacco, Baltimore.

Little splash: Derek Anderson, Carolina.

Analysis: The only similarities of these two are physical – big guys with big arms. The idea of Baltimore GM Ozzie Newsome letting Flacco leave – to a division rival, no less -- after a Super Bowl MVP performance is pure fantasy. Anderson had his one good year with Rob Chudzinski in Cleveland in 2007 and followed him to Carolina in 2011. Despite a nasty farewell address to Browns fans in a regrettable email following the 2009 season, Anderson would love to rejoin Chudzinski as a backup.

Position: Wide receiver.

Big splash: Dwayne Bowe, Kansas City; Brian Hartline, Miami; Greg Jennings, Green Bay; Mike Wallace, Pittsburgh; Wes Welker, New England.

Little splash: Danny Amendola, St. Louis.; Ted Ginn Jr., San Francisco; Dominik Hixon, N. Y. Giants.

Analysis: Bowe’s size (6-2, 220 pounds) sets him apart in a stellar class at his position. Wallace is the fastest and would diminish the rival Steelers by leaving. Hartline’s growth chart has been consistently up. Jennings and Welker are more effective in a West Coast offense. Amendola has trouble staying healthy. Ginn, the native Clevelander, has not had his receiving skills fully developed. Hixon, the former Akron Zip, has a lot of talent and hard luck; two ACL tears have slowed his career.

Position: Outside linebacker

Big splash: Shaun Phillips, San Diego; Paul Kruger, Baltimore.

Little splash: Quentin Groves, Arizona.

Analysis: Phillips has 69.5 career sacks and played the past six years for Browns coordinator Norv Turner, but will be 32 in 2013 and is on the decline despite 9.5 sacks last season. Kruger climaxed his first season as a starting rush linebacker with three sacks in the Ravens’ post-season run, including two in the Super Bowl. Groves, a former Jacksonville second-round pick, had his best NFL season in five years under Browns coordinator Ray Horton in Arizona in 2012.

Position: Cornerback

Big splash: Antoine Cason, San Diego; Derek Cox, Jacksonville; Brent Grimes, Atlanta; Sean Smith, Miami.

Little splash: Mike Jenkins, Dallas; Keenan Lewis, Pittsburgh.

Analysis: Cason -- another who played for Turner in San Diego -- Cox and Smith each will command a hefty price. Grimes would have, too, until suffering a season-ending Achilles tendon injury in the 2012 opener. Jenkins, a late first-round pick in 2008, underachieved for five years in Dallas. Lewis is an ascending player who became a full-time starter in 2012 and prepped his first two seasons under Horton in Pittsburgh.

Positon: Free safety

Big splash: Jairus Byrd, Buffalo; LaRon Landry, N.Y. Jets.

Little splash: James Sanders, Arizona.

Analysis: Byrd is a productive ball hawk who had nine interceptions as a rookie and nine in three years since. Landry is more of a hard hitter who has played strong safety as well. Sanders is a journeyman, mid-round pick of the Patriots who was exposed to Horton’s defense in Arizona as a backup last year.

Position: Tight end

Big splash: Jared Cook, Tennessee.

Little splash: Anthony Fasano, Miami; Brandon Myers, Oakland.

Analysis: Cook is a big man who can run and catch who never has broken out in the Tennessee offense. Fasano isn’t a big-play tight end, but a reliable one. Myers broke out with 79 receptions in his fourth season in Oakland in 2012.

bluezhound32
SinceNov 8, 2007
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February 7, 2013 12:02 pm
This is was the B/R has up for the Browns in their full mock draft:


Rd 1 Pick 6 - DE/OLB Barkevious Mingo LSU

Rd 3 Pick 6- WR Markus Wheaton Oregon State
 
Rd 4 Pick 7- CB Tharold Simon LSU

Rd 5 Pick 6- SS Duke Williams Nevada

Rd 6 Pick 7- TE Gavin Escobar  San Diego State

Rd 7 Pick 6- ILB Bruce Taylor Virgina Tech



I could see us going with these positions...im not sure if it will be in the same order, that would depend upon who is taken ahead of us along with any FA action.   
dogside18
SinceMar 6, 2007
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February 7, 2013 1:56 pm
Rd 5 Pick 6- SS Duke Williams Nevada

Why a strong safety in the fifth when we need a free safety to start?  Everyone is going to want Jarius Byrd in free agency, so let's couple that with Haslam's tempering of expectations (don't expect a big signing) to say we'll miss him.

Bacarri Rambo in the third has to be the pick.

Starts from Day 1 and instantly improves the position.  A competent free safety would allow T.J. Ward to play to his strengths and mask his weaknesses. 
The Real SAS
SinceMar 16, 2012
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February 7, 2013 5:28 pm
Written by Steve King

Norv Turner fixes things for a living – and for the sheer fun of it. He fixes offenses. But his specific skill is fixing quarterbacks, especially young and/or inexperienced ones. And though it's just a guess – maybe an educated guess, but still, just a guess – we think strongly that the new Browns offensive coordinator is chomping at the bit to start fixing Brandon Weeden. Again, this is just a guess, but it appears he feels that way because he seems to believe Weeden has a lot of untapped potential.

Think about it: Since this new Browns regime has taken over, going all the way back to Jimmy Haslam's purchase of the team being approved by the other NFL owners on Oct. 16, and then to CEO Joe Banner coming on board nine days later, who of the Browns power men has been the most positive about Weeden? It's been – by a wide margin – Turner, who said during his introductory press conference, "He has the skill set we like. He has a big arm and can throw the [ball] long." It doesn't get much better than that.

When Turner looks at Weeden, he doesn't see a guy who connected just 57.2 of his passing attempts in 2012 as a rookie. Rather, he sees someone who had nearly 300 completions (297). He doesn't see a guy who threw 17 interceptions. Rather, he sees a guy who threw 14 touchdown passes in a pitch-and-catch offense that didn't match in any way, shape or form his skill set – his big arm – and was throwing mostly to young, inexperienced receivers. He doesn't see a guy who had only a 72.6 quarterback rating. Rather, he sees a guy who is 6-foot-3 and 220 pounds and was sacked just 28 times despite attempting 517 passes.

Turner doesn't see the quarterback of a team whose top receiver had just 53 receptions. Rather, he sees the quarterback of a team where there were four players with 49 or more catches. He doesn't see a guy who was sometimes indecisive in the pocket, holding onto the ball too long while waiting for something to develop. Rather, he sees a guy who had way too many coaches and advisors and even the team president – that is, when he stayed late and attended practice – who were chirping in his ear, giving him so many mixed messages that it made him dizzy.

Everybody seems to be writing off Weeden's chances to be the starter next season. While they're willing to give him a shot, they think he has no shot. That only serves to make Turner even more anxious to [get started]. It makes it more of a challenge to him – and will make the reward just that much greater for everybody involved if he can pull it off.

The first thing Turner must do is work on Weeden's mind and emotions – that is, give him some confidence boosters. Former head coach Pat Shurmur never missed an opportunity to blame Weeden – be it ever so slyly – for most of the ills of the offense. Turner needs to make Weeden understand that that was a bunch of hogwash, and that things will be different this year. Once Weeden accepts that and trusts Turner – and it may take a bit for that to happen after all the negativity of last season -- then the whole process of fixing him to whatever level he can be fixed, can begin.

Indeed, this will be – by a longshot – the most interesting thing for Browns fans to watch this offseason and into the minicamps, [training] camp, the preseason and maybe even the regular season as well. They will observe Turner as he applies some spit, shine, good coaching and TLC in trying to salvage a player who, according to most people, is not salvageable – who is broken beyond repair.

But that is exactly what the guy who fixes things – especially quarterbacks – was brought in to do.

bluezhound32
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February 7, 2013 8:33 pm
Nice article bluez.  I tend to agree with all of it, except for the part about Weeden being broken.  Dude spent 5 years in minor league baseball.  I think he's tougher than folks are giving him credit for.  In fact, I think that article echoes what I've been saying all along.  It is a shame that Weeds had to deal with the dysfunction of Pat Shurmur his whole rookie season.  And Mr. King is right.  Shurmur never let a chance go bye to push all the blame on his rookie QB, which is a disgrace....I'm sure he learned some hard lessons, and hopefully he'll be better for it in the long run.  


Chud and Norv seem like the right guys to coach him up.  I think it was a major "get" for the Browns to land an OC like Turner, and I'm still optimistic about Weeden's future in Cleveland.  His skill set does seem perfectly suited for the vertical attacks that Norv is known for. 


I'm sure I'll be attacked for supporting him by the negative fools that badger anybody who ever says anything positive about this franchise, but I could care less...I know what I see.  He's a talented QB that was handcuffed by his own coaching staff.  Rather than trying to find a comfort zone for him and ADAPT the offense to his strengths, the Browns 2012 coaching staff tried to make him into something else....Pat Shurmur is the absolute definition of a bad football coach...I think Norv and Chud are going to make BW into a star in this league.     
TOPDAWG
SinceOct 12, 2006
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February 7, 2013 9:03 pm
Bacarri Rambo in the third has to be the pick.
ABSO--FREAK-IN-LUTE-LY


Am I in a Twilight Zone?


Irish Dawg 42
SinceOct 6, 2006
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February 7, 2013 10:33 pm
Interesting talk over on the Scout site. A couple of guys proposed a pretty interesting scenario:

1. Ravens use the non-exlusive tag on Flacco (the $20M non-exlusive tag would cripple them).

2. The Browns offer Flacco a contract the Ravens couldn't match i.e. one containing a $40M first year salary (not a signing bonus) and give up their next two 1st round draft choices.

This gives the Browns a perfect QB for Chud's system and it also helps them meet the salary floor. Going forward Flacco would be a very affordable franchise QB versus the salary cap because they are the only team in the NFL without a monster prorated signing bonus hammering them each additional contract year.

Year 1: $40 million
Year 2: $15 million
Year 3: $15 million
Year 4: $20 million
Year 5: $20 million
Year 6: $25 million

Total: Total 6 years, 130 million - 70 million guaranteed (1st 3 seasons) - richest contract in NFL history.

If you're Flacco do you sign that deal? Browns have a nice O-line (3/5ths anyway), some nice young WRs and a very talented RB. They will have the money going forward to keep a talented team around him - unlike what he's facing in Baltimore.

If you're the Browns do you do that deal?
beachbum312
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February 7, 2013 10:41 pm
(the $20M non-exlusive tag would cripple them).
Should read (the $20M EXCLUSIVE tag would cripple them)
beachbum312
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February 7, 2013 11:00 pm
Oh, what a coup that would be!!


Baltimore steals the franchise from Cleveland, then Cleveland steals the franchise QB from Baltimore!! Cool
MANOSTEEL9423
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February 8, 2013 6:46 am
If you're the Browns do you do that deal?
No brainer...

Flacco has come leaps and bounds since being drafted...He has reached football maturity at the age of 28.
The only downside that I can see is if he can handle the scrutiny that comes along with making a move like this...If not, then you just wasted $70M guarenteed..

He has shown some mental immaturity in his first few years, so I am not positive he could handle this type of move...think LBJ scrutiny...

James didn't play to his potential until this past season...did that have anything to do with the Cleveland move?

It is risky, but a risk you would have to take if the road turns that way...AS said a thousand times on these threads, a Super Bowl Franchise QB only comes around every now and then...He has won multiple playoff games in his short career and now has proben he can do it on the biggest stage...You go get him if you can.

Then you go get Anquan Boldin to go with him...

We have all the other pieces that the Ravens had on offense...

Focus on defense in the draft...

Irish Dawg 42
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February 8, 2013 8:50 am

Beach i read that over there . that sounds very very intriguing . i would pull the trigger on that one . it is a no brainer IMHO .

 

I have't given up on Weeds either . he was misscast in Shurmurs outdated system . Chud & Norv will do wonders for him i think.

 

has football withdrawl set in yet Frown..or is everyone looking forward to the Combine ..free agency & the Draft ?



for me its all of the above .

bluezhound32
SinceNov 8, 2007
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February 8, 2013 9:36 am
has football withdrawl set in yet Frown..or is everyone looking forward to the Combine ..free agency & the Draft ?

It set in around 11pm last Sunday. The combine does nothing for me, but free agency will help a little. 
dtgold88
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February 8, 2013 9:35 am
If you're the Browns do you do that deal?
No brainer...

Flacco has come leaps and bounds since being drafted...He has reached football maturity at the age of 28.
The only downside that I can see is if he can handle the scrutiny that comes along with making a move like this...If not, then you just wasted $70M guarenteed..

He has shown some mental immaturity in his first few years, so I am not positive he could handle this type of move...think LBJ scrutiny...

James didn't play to his potential until this past season...did that have anything to do with the Cleveland move?

It is risky, but a risk you would have to take if the road turns that way...AS said a thousand times on these threads, a Super Bowl Franchise QB only comes around every now and then...He has won multiple playoff games in his short career and now has proben he can do it on the biggest stage...You go get him if you can.

Then you go get Anquan Boldin to go with him...

We have all the other pieces that the Ravens had on offense...

Focus on defense in the draft...

I think I agree, Irish, but not sure it's the no-brainer you think it is. Yes, you have your franchise QB, but that's it. Would pretty much eat up your cap space, and you have no 1st or 2nd round picks, nor a 1st next year.

Guess you better be sure Flacco is the real deal and at the Brees, Rodgers, Brady level (or awfully close).   
dtgold88
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February 8, 2013 11:59 am
I think I agree, Irish, but not sure it's the no-brainer you think it is. Yes, you have your franchise QB, but that's it. Would pretty much eat up your cap space
That's the beauty of the deal! It wouldn't eat cap space long term. Yes, it would chew up most of what you have left in 2013 but you need to reach the salary floor anyway and don't have any players you really need to lock up this offseason. Going into 2014 you'd be nearly right back to where you were prior to the Flacco signing. His personal cap number would drop from 40 to 15 million and most people expect the cap to jump to around 130 million in 2014. That's another 35 million in cap space in 2014 and every year after that as the cap increases.

Most teams have to throw down 30 to 40 million on their franchise QB and prorate at 6 or 7 million a year over the life of the contract. The Browns could eat all that in the first year. It would be an incredible advantage over the rest of the divison for the next 7 years. A franchise QB without the heavy financial burden.

p.s. You also have the option of restructuring a guy like Joe Thomas this year ($10M base) if you wanted to dip into free agency or get a long term deal done with Mack prior to his final rookie year. You wouldn't need to do much to create the room necessary and that would help you eat up some of your floor next year.


beachbum312
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February 8, 2013 12:01 pm
The Ravens can make all this speculation pointless with the exclusive franchise tag but at approximately 20 million that puts a huge strain on their cap number. Ozzie says they are not restructuring deals but he did it last year and I don't see any way he doesn't do it again if they have to slap the EFT on Flacco.


beachbum312
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February 8, 2013 3:34 pm

New Browns coach Rob Chudzinski said last month that it would be “premature” to call [Brandon Weeden] the team’s starting quarterback for the 2013 season, something that doesn’t seem to have taken Weeden by surprise.

During an appearance in Oklahoma on Friday, Weeden said that he fully expects to have competition for the starting [job in Cleveland]. Weeden called it “fun” to compete to try [to win] a job and that he wouldn’t be doing things any differently than Chudzinski and company if he were making the decisions for the franchise.

“I expect competition. That’s [the way professional sports are]. Unless you’re [Tom Brady], [Peyton Manning], [Drew Brees] or these guys, you might as well expect for somebody to try to come take your job,” Weeden said, via the Associated Press. “We’re talking about a multibillion-dollar corporation, essentially. There’s going to be changes. Obviously, we’ve already seen some. But there’s going to be competition. The guys that drafted me are no longer there, so I fully expect there to be competition. I would want competition. I want to go into camp and compete. If I had won 10 or 11 games last year, that may not be the case, but we weren’t able to get that done.”

Weeden said it was “exciting” to get a chance to play for Norv Turner and said that he’s spoken to Troy Aikman about playing for Turner. It’s hard to assess Weeden’s chances of holding onto the starting job without knowing the identity of who his competition will be, but his attitude should benefit him in any battle [for the job]. The choice will be based on a lot more than attitude, of course, but Weeden’s chances wouldn’t be too good if he were pouting about the fact that the new regime wasn’t sold on his abilities.

bluezhound32
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February 8, 2013 8:00 pm

Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald suggests that the Dolphins might place RE Jared Odrick on the trade block.

Odrick was drafted to play "five technique" in a 3-4 defense. The Dolphins are a 4-3 now, and Odrick lacks explosive ability requisite for 4-3 defensive ends. "He's not a fit for the scheme," Salguero writes. Odrick has cheap base salaries through 2014, is only 25 years old, and possesses an ideal skill set for the 3-4. He could likely bring back a second-day draft pick via trade.


why not offer up a 4th rounder for Ordick who played pretty well in the 34 front ?
bluezhound32
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February 9, 2013 10:31 am
By [Fred Greetham] OBR Senior Browns Reporter
Posted Feb 9, 2013

With a new regime in place and reportedly $48 million under the cap, options are endless for the Browns to [begin] the process to close the talent gap.

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There is no question that there is a pretty sizable gap between the upper echelon of the NFL and the Browns. The roster as currently constructed is very young but the Browns could make some judicious moves that could help them speed up the process quicker and give them a shot to make a push for the playoffs in 2013.

Jimmy Haslam and Joe Banner said they aren’t going to make moves that are quick fixes and also intimated that they wouldn’t make any ‘splashy’ moves in free agency. They have said the Browns are committed to building long-term through the draft.

However, being reportedly close to $48 million under the salary cap the Browns could make a few moves in free agency that could significantly improve the team. Here are a few of the possible moves they could make.

We’ll start on the offensive side of the ball.

Quarterback--The most important position is always the quarterback. The current front office and coaching staff hasn’t declared [Brandon Weeden] the starter going forward. Haslam said that he expects a quarterback competition in [training] camp, but here are a couple of options for the team.

[Joe Flacco]-- recent Super Bowl MVP--is the biggest pending free agent quarterback currently on the list. The Ravens are dealing with salary cap issues and might have to franchise Flacco in order to keep him. Currently, the amount to make Flacco a non-exclusive franchise player is about $14.6 million a season. However, the Browns—and several other teams--have plenty of salary cap space and could sign Flacco and gladly forfeit the two number one draft choices it would take to sign him. To avoid that from happening, the Ravens could name Flacco an exclusive rights free agent, which would put him over $20 million a season in salary. If the Ravens chose to do so to make sure they didn’t lose him they would have [big money] tied up at one position and that would hurt the Ravens going forward as they couldn’t keep some of their other players by choosing to keep Flacco.

If they decide to let him go, the Browns would have their quarterback, who is younger than Weeden and appears to be entering his prime. Maybe it was because he was with the Ravens, but I haven’t considered him a franchise quarterback, but I have to admit going forward I think he would be a better option than either [Michael Vick], [Alex Smith], [Matt Flynn], [Ryan Mallett] or any of the other rumored quarterback candidates being talked about to replace Weeden. If the Browns were to obtain Flacco, they would be significantly weakening their AFC North rival at the same time.

Smith would be the other quarterback who appears to be able to step right into the lineup and upgrade the offensive production. The best option to get Smith would likely be in a trade because if he is released by the 49ers, he can go wherever he wants and he might not see the Browns as his best option. However, he does have ties to Norv Turner and a chance to start would appeal to him. It comes down to what other options he might have.

Then again, the Browns might decide to go another year with Weeden. Then again, there is always the option of [Derek Anderson] or [Brady Quinn], who are also free agents. If the Browns choose to go there, they could have a re-union from already four regimes ago.

Wide Receiver—The Browns could use a veteran wide receiver to go with [Josh Gordon] and [Greg Little]. In similar fashion to the signing of Flacco, the Browns could hurt the Steelers by signing [Mike Wallace] as a free agent. [Greg Jennings], [Wes Welker], [Danny Amendola] and [Dwayne Bowe] are also currently expected to hit the free agent market. Jennings might be the most attractive addition of the group.

[Victor Cruz] is a restricted free agent but the Browns do have the money to force the Giants to consider letting him go as they are also trying to re-sign [Hakeem Nicks].

Guard—The Browns returning guards, [Jason Pinkston], [Shawn Lauvao] and [John Greco] were not a physical force on the interior of the line and didn’t provide a big enough push in the running game. [Andy Levitre] of the Bills, [Louis Vasquez] of the Chargers or Brandon Moore of the Jets would all provide that physical presence. Vasquez played for Turner in San Diego.

Fullback—In Turner’s offense, the fullback is usually more prominent than what the Browns have had in the past couple of years since the departure of [Lawrence Vickers]. [James Casey] (Texans) is versatile and can play fullback and tight end. The options at fullback in free agency are limited.

Tight end—There are several available tight ends in free agency should the new staff not think that [Jordan Cameron] can handle the role or they choose to not re-sign [Ben Watson]. Among the tight ends that are set to become free agents are [Martellus Bennett] (Giants), [Jared Cook] (Titans), [Dustin Keller] (Jets) and [Brandon Myers] (Raiders). [Dennis Pitta] (Ravens) is a restricted free agent.

Now, let’s look at the defensive side of the ball. With the switch in schemes, the outside linebacker and cornerback positions might be the most important.

Outside Linebacker--On the defensive side the Browns need outside pass rushers as they begin to employ Ray Horton’s defensive schemes. Arguably, Anthony Spencer of the Cowboys is the top free agent available. Spencer had just a half sack less than teammate [DeMarcus Ware] and could give the Browns a great pass rusher immediately.

They also could go after [Paul Kruger] (Ravens) or [Dwight Freeney] (Colts). They would be interesting additions as they can rush the passer. [Dannell Ellerbe] (Ravens) is scheduled to replace [Ray Lewis], but could help the Browns.

Cornerback—It was obvious the Browns were thin at cornerback when Joe Haden missed the first four games and the Browns lost all four of them. When he was sidelined for a game later in the season, the Browns lost. [Sheldon Brown] is a free agent, but he is 34-years old. [Dimitri Patterson] was released and [Buster Skrine] was the whipping boy most of the time he played. The former defensive coaching staff was clearly in Skrine’s corner, but the new staff might not be as high on him.

Several options are available at cornerback including: [Marcus Trufant] (Seahawks), [Mike Jenkins] (Cowboys), [Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie] (Eagles), [Tracy Porter] (Broncos), Aqib Talib (Patriots), [Nate Clements] (Bengals), [Rashean Mathis] (Jaguars), [Cary Williams] (Ravens) and [Sean Smith] (Dolphins). [Leodis McKelvin] of the Bills is a top notch return man and could double in that role, as well.

Safety—If the Browns feel they can do better in the draft at cornerback, there are a few more options at safety. [Jairus Byrd](Bills), [William Moore] (Falcons) or [Dashon Goldson] (49ers) would all look good next to [T.J. Ward].

It’s a given the Browns can’t get all or the majority of the players they need in free agency, but if they can pick up two or three key pieces in free agency, that could go a long way in improving the team in 2013.


bluezhound32
SinceNov 8, 2007
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February 9, 2013 11:11 am
To all Browns fans well everone in the NE stay safe . wicked storm .


they still havent got the mess that Hurricane Sandy left then they get hit with this .
bluezhound32
SinceNov 8, 2007
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February 10, 2013 10:50 am
Power get knocked out in Ohio? Don't think I've ever seen 24 hours go by without a post in the DPL.
beachbum312
SinceSep 17, 2006
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February 10, 2013 12:22 pm
we still got power Beach .


football withdrawl . first Sunday is always the hardest .


bluezhound32
SinceNov 8, 2007
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February 10, 2013 2:19 pm
Yeh its bad. So bored Im actually doing long put off projects around the house Undecided
CaptObvious
SinceJan 27, 2009